Free Will

neologist wrote:

The creation of straw men, whether or not by intention, is responsible for many obfuscations.

That is why straw men are made of straw... Smile

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I don't think the theist can even understand the spiritual world because all is obscured by their law. The law even comes before the scriptures.

The law to these theists comes even before the love and mercy of God.

Yet this law is made of brick and steel and not straw...

Only the spirit can penetrate the natural elements of the law...

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RexRed wrote:

Theists interject their traditions and dogma into the scriptures long before they actually read what is written.

If a physicist would simply read (and study) the Bible for themselves and take the same care in understanding it as they do with science then the Bible would come to light in this generation much sooner rather than later.

Yet when the physicist reads the Bible they feel disconnected from their science. The theists has caused this rift through the erroneous absurdity of their self made and contradictory faith...

Thus the physicist disconnects the Bible from creation and science out of the fear placed there by the doctrinal corruption created by the theist.

Is there any way that science could contradict your religion?

Do you adjust your religion to fit with science?

And, how can one accurately identify doctrinal corruption?

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My comments in red

echi wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Theists interject their traditions and dogma into the scriptures long before they actually read what is written.

If a physicist would simply read (and study) the Bible for themselves and take the same care in understanding it as they do with science then the Bible would come to light in this generation much sooner rather than later.

Yet when the physicist reads the Bible they feel disconnected from their science. The theists has caused this rift through the erroneous absurdity of their self made and contradictory faith...

Thus the physicist disconnects the Bible from creation and science out of the fear placed there by the doctrinal corruption created by the theist.

Is there any way that science could contradict your religion?

Science can obstruct the truth.

Do you adjust your religion to fit with science?

Science should be considered in light of spirituality not the other way around.

And, how can one accurately identify doctrinal corruption?

By checks and balances. By using other parts of the Bible to corroborate your view. By not taking a few obscure passages and magnifying them above many clear passages. Also, by knowing the scope of the Bible and the progression of certain foundational key events.

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The Bible reveals the "will" of God?

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There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance

A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
The stars aren't aligned ---
Or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will

There are those who think that they've been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them ---
They weren't born in lotus-land

All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You cant pray for a place
In heavens unearthly estate

Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
Thats far too fleet...

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I always knew that Rush were a bunch of devil worshipers.

[I'm kidding, of course..... Don't send your Dark Lord after me!!]

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Interesting theme, Dok.

Source?

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Freewill, by Rush, from the album, 'Permanent Waves' (1980)

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See how out of touch I am when a furry little whatzis knows more about Rush things than this old geezer.

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My favorite Rush album is 2112 Smile

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I don't seem to be making headway on this topic:
http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2343737#2343737

What I was trying to establish was a discussion of the concept of free will as it relates to submission to God. Is our free will submission a form of slavery?

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neo, It would seem to me that a committment to religion is not slavery when the individual makes the choice to "believe." However, it seems to be generally known that once an individual commits himself/herself, they have difficulty dropping the religion.

I find religiion to be an accident of birth; most follow the religion of their parents/culture.

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Good to have you dropping in again, CI. I've been trying to establish the difference, between slavery by compulsion and slavery by choice, if such a distinction exists.

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Isn't "slavery by choice" an oxymoron?

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You could be right in our current understanding. But what is the true difference between slavery and service? Are they not the same except for the quality of the compulsion?

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It's usually not compulsion but necessity to make a living. Some people will do almost anything for money. An observor who doesn't have money worries may assume that the person doing any demeaning job is similar to slavery. It's a matter of eat or starve for many, but we still have choices if we're lucky enough to live in a developed economy country.

In many third world countries, even today, many parents sell their own children into prostitution to eat.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Isn't "slavery by choice" an oxymoron?

Slavery by choice is love.

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Neo, was it you who wrote the piece on "sacrifice"?

It was one of the very best things I have ever read on A2K

Could you send me a private link to it?

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The way I see it...
I do believe in God. In my opinion, that surely for him to be omnipotent then he must surely know everything. So does this give us as a people free will? Well yes.

I think that we have free will as God intended. That we are given choices and questions in our life and we make decisions. I believe that God knows what we are going to say/do, but it is still our decision.

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