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# Free Will

carnaticmystery

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Mon 2 Dec, 2013 09:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
To me, it does. I'm otta here; you're not making any sense of the world I live in.

i fully understand the world you live in, and i am not denying the sense in which it exists. i am only going beyond it, while leaving it perfectly intact as it is.

have fun 'otta here'.
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Fil Albuquerque

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 03:21 pm
@spendius,
No you wouldn't. Anyway don't divide God in half only to fit it in your pocket Spendius....
spendius

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 03:53 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
No you wouldn't. Anyway don't divide God in half only to fit it in your pocket Spendius....

I wasn't aware I was doing that, or trying to I should rather say. Do you know how I might stop? I've been looking into explanations for as long as I can remember so one more won't bother me however far-fetched it is.
Fil Albuquerque

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 06:57 pm
@spendius,
The biggest Set abides by the Set conditions, after all that's why it is a Set.
I suppose you would acknowledge God must be the biggest Set...if you don't then "God" isn't worth more then any other part and I rather let the discussion fall. Separating spirit from matter and pleading for special conditions of causation is yet one more way of dividing "God" in half. Am I wrong ? (Note please that I didn't try to describe the nature of matter, it is pointless)
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neologist

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 07:04 pm
Don't know if it makes sense to "divide" something which is limitless or infinite. Also not sure about how the concept of "set" applies, if the subsets are to be finite.
Fil Albuquerque

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 07:17 pm
@neologist,
Well what kind of infinity are you talking about ?
You see because a loop can go on round n round forever but is self consistent.
If God it is not a loop, self defined or self enclosed, God it is not complete and becomes process, just another unfolding part, permeated by the same problems the same uncertainty that any other incomplete being has. To say that God is infinity is the same to say God cannot control itself, cannot control its becoming...I rather think of God as immutable order. The only kind of infinity I acknowledged are closed loops. Irrational infinities are unrelationable n thus the very opposite of (mathematical) unity, of Love...
Fil Albuquerque

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 07:28 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
You see Neo...God defeats the devil precisely because God defeats uncertainty. Supposing open infinities is the natural product of incomplete beings precisely for lack of certainty. And thus the reason why they are process in search of final order. Rest.
Fil Albuquerque

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Tue 3 Dec, 2013 07:41 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
This is the third or the fourth time I post this video, it seams I can't get enough of it, but then it fits my context:

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Romeo Fabulini

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 12:34 am
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."- Galileo
Jesus said-"The very hairs of your head are all numbered "- (Matt 19:30)
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neologist

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 01:31 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
I wasn't attempting to define God, rather to describe a concept of the infinite. As far as God is concerned, it does not appear likely that He is infinite in the sense of permeating the entire cosmos. He is described as having an abode in heaven. Angels and other creations are perceived as separate from him.

If we wonder how he could be a kazillion miles away and know what is happening here in real time, that attribute may be explained by his active force, sometimes referred to as holy spirit. Perhaps the discovery of the Higgs Boson and the concept of the Higgs Field may shed some light on the idea.

This is all conjecture on my part, however.
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Romeo Fabulini

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:56 am
The Bible gives clues regarding the nature of God-
Jesus said- "God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth” (John 4:24)
"Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” (Jeremiah 23:24)
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come.” (Revelation 1:8)

So he's like 'The Force' in Star Wars, existing at every point in space and time..
cicerone imposter

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:36 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Except, he doesn't do anything by being omnipresent. He looks, and laughs, and enjoys the show on earth.

He's supposed to be omnipotent, but he is powerless to do anything. Do you know why?

He's a fiction of people's imagination.
neologist

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
He's supposed to be omnipotent, but he is powerless to do anything. Do you know why?
There is an appointed time for everything (Ecclesiastes 3:4) We may prefer to have had him act sooner; but we don't keep the clock.
cicerone imposter

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:57 am
@neologist,
That's in complete indifference to most christians who are waiting patiently for something that will NEVER HAPPEN!
neologist

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 12:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you realize the demise of the League of Nations and the birth of the United Nations was foretold in the book of Revelation?
cicerone imposter

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 12:33 pm
@neologist,
More miracles from the bible? WOW, I'm speechless!

Do you mind posting the verses about that? Thx.
neologist

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 12:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Information in Chapter 14, particularly vss. 3 and 14
cicerone imposter

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 01:42 pm
@neologist,
Chapter 14? LOL Which book are you talking about?
neologist

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 01:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
OH, DRAT!
Should have said ch 13
Don't tell Romeo. He's never wrong!
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Romeo Fabulini

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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:08 pm
Quote:
Cicerone claimed: he [God] doesn't do anything by being omnipresent. He looks, and laughs, and enjoys the show on earth.
He's supposed to be omnipotent, but he is powerless to do anything. Do you know why?

Yes mate, I know why..
God set up this earth as a testing ground (Adam and Eve were the first to flunk). Cue one of my stunning articles-

GOLD BERET
Just as Army Regiments award the beige beret (SAS), green beret (US Special Forces) and red beret (Paras), so does God award us a gold beret if we pass his test.

The only success that matters is getting through the Life Assault Course:-
"All creation groans in pain from the beginning til now" (Rom 8:22)

And it sorts the men from the boys:-
"We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22)

Jesus welcomes anybody into his squad:-
"Whoever comes to me I'll never turn away" (John 6:37)

"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:27)

The C.O. shows no favouritism:-
"God didn't spare his own son" (Rom 8:32)

So if he can hack it so can we:-
"We share in Jesus's sufferings in order to share in his glory" (Rom 8:17)

And others have stayed the course too:-
"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith" (2 Tim 4:7)

Then if we qualify we win the 'Gold Beret':-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)