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The Freemasons......Benevloent society or something deeper?

 
 
Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 10:09 am
I know someone who is a Mason and he's told me a little bit about it. It seems harmless enough. It is a so-called "secret society" but only certain rituals are not open to the public. Most of their doings are very public.

I'm just curious because I know that they are viewed by some to be a conspiratorial society that influences world events from behind the scenes. I personally don't see any evidence of this. What's your take?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 10:57 am
If you don't stop accusing me of paranoia and sending people to spy on me, i'm going to unleash my masonic legions on you . . . don't forget what happened to the Knights Templar when they crossed me . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:00 am
One of my favorite Masonic paranoia sites . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:04 am
This site, courtesy of "Jesus-is-savior-dot-com" has got to be the prize . . .
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:10 am
BBB
What is Free Masonry?

http://www.co-masonry.org/language/english/overview/organization.asp

My father was a 33rd degree mason. My mother was a member of the Eastern Star. I only saw the public meeting rituals and thought them silly.
They wanted me to join the women's organization. I refused and decided to become an atheist, instead.

BBB
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:12 am
Setanta wrote:
This site, courtesy of "Jesus-is-savior-dot-com" has got to be the prize . . .


I didn't read the site but are they saying that the Free Masons are the devil?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:15 am
You might want to find a copy of "The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society" by Jasper Ridley. I thought it did a good job at looking at the truths and myths of the organization. You can find reviews at Amazon.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:17 am
I think I've mentioned this before, around my way, most of the dairy farmers are Freemasons.

I cannot walk anywhere without one of these guys walking up to me and giving me a secret milkshake.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:27 am
Bella Dea wrote:
Setanta wrote:
This site, courtesy of "Jesus-is-savior-dot-com" has got to be the prize . . .


I didn't read the site but are they saying that the Free Masons are the devil?


Perhaps, although i'm not sure the boys and girls down at Jesus-is-savior-dot-com know what they're saying themselves.

Lordofthedairydelights, you are a very, very silly man . . . heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 04:04 am
Masonry for me is a form of zionism.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 04:28 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
I think I've mentioned this before, around my way, most of the dairy farmers are Freemasons.

I cannot walk anywhere without one of these guys walking up to me and giving me a secret milkshake.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:58 am
Ellinas wrote:
Masonry for me is a form of zionism.


You are joking right???
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:42 am
I've never met a free mason, I hired some illegals last summer to do the masonry work out back, they were pretty cheap but not, by any means, free.
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2005 09:53 am
John Creasy wrote:
Ellinas wrote:
Masonry for me is a form of zionism.


You are joking right???


No I am not joking. Masonry was always promoting the interests of zionists.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2005 10:06 am
How long have you entertained your zionist paranoia, Ellians? Is this something which has grown upon you with time, or is it the result of an epiphany?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2005 08:01 pm
Here in the a**hole of Texas, the very, very widespread use of stone masonry lends a certain beauty to an otherwise generally ugly town the labor of which has been largely performed by undocumented workers which isn't free by any means, but would cost a kings ransom elsewhere in the country.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2005 08:06 pm
I think Tolstoy wrote it best about the Freemasons in "War and Peace."
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2005 09:48 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
I think Tolstoy wrote it best about the Freemasons in "War and Peace."


Care to enlighten us??? I didn't have two years to spare to read the book??
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:21 am
Generally, according to Tolstoy, Freemasonry, its precepts, are based on virtuous ideals and a mystic belief in god. You can look them up in the book here. Just do a find for the word "freemason" and you'll come across them.

But like all other religious organizations, its members approach it from different angles, different degrees of belief, and with different aims and intents. This is how Tolstoy categorizes them through his protagonist Pierre Bezukhov:

He divided the Brothers he knew into four categories. In the first
he put those who did not take an active part in the affairs of the
lodges or in human affairs, but were exclusively occupied with the
mystical science of the order: with questions of the threefold
designation of God, the three primordial elements--sulphur, mercury,
and salt--or the meaning of the square and all the various figures
of the temple of Solomon. Pierre respected this class of Brothers to
which the elder ones chiefly belonged, including, Pierre thought,
Joseph Alexeevich himself, but he did not share their interests. His
heart was not in the mystical aspect of Freemasonry.

In the second category Pierre reckoned himself and others like
him, seeking and vacillating, who had not yet found in Freemasonry a
straight and comprehensible path, but hoped to do so.

In the third category he included those Brothers (the majority)
who saw nothing in Freemasonry but the external forms and
ceremonies, and prized the strict performance of these forms without
troubling about their purport or significance. Such were Willarski and
even the Grand Master of the principal lodge.

Finally, to the fourth category also a great many Brothers belonged,
particularly those who had lately joined. These according to
Pierre's observations were men who had no belief in anything, nor
desire for anything, but joined the Freemasons merely to associate
with the wealthy young Brothers who were influential through their
connections or rank, and of whom there were very many in the lodge.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:32 am
Tolstoi was not a freemason but took the ceremonies of the freemasons from his studies in the Rumyantsev Museum in Moscow in the autumn of 1866.
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