Define God

Body wounds show on chest as described in OT & NT.

Event Horizon is a literal resurrection of Yeshua.

What Yeshua looked like.

Some scholars have inferred a description of Jesus as short, dark and stocky, rather than this long-faced aryan.

Source

But obviously, you are free to believe whatever crap you want...

i like to believe that silver nitrate is a precursor to photography

U R crap is wrong. Get updated.

Cannot get update, next test is in May and I'll follow the results.

It's still crap..

Taken from a manuscript in the days of Tiberius Caesar written by Publius Lentullus at Rome:
his hair of the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men"

{A letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar:
One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions!}

This Likeness of Jesus was copied from a portrait, carved on an emerald, by order of Tiberius Caesar. The Emperor of the Turks afterwards gave this emerald, out of the Treasury of Constantinople, to Pope Innocent VIII for the redemption of his brother, taken captive by the Christians:

Just as you are free to express your contempt based upon your faith in what you had read in some publication or other.

Another example of the short, smug smirking blurt which I referred to yesterday which causes many people to adopt avoidance strategies in social settings when exposed to it and which has no point to it other than a claim to scientific superiority which is hardly credible when protein, carbohydrate, fibre, fat, etc etc confections are thought of in the way an a la carte menu styles them for the pupose of extracting cash of a far greater value than the glop is worth.



Give it a rest Francis. The object is a romantic one.

A newer research discovered that the test used a cutting from the Shroud that is now recognized as a 16th-century “patch” or “Invisible” repair " invisible to the naked eye but seen clearly under high magnification. The repair used cotton thread, which is found nowhere else in the Shroud. Nuns had performed the repair to a section of the cloth that had been damaged in a 15th-century fire. The carbon-14 test was performed upon a sample that included both new and original threads, thus yielding the apparently medieval origin. New chemical tests on samples from the original linen move the age of the Shroud back in time to the first century A.D.
Furthermore, the weaving of the linen Shroud is now recognized as consistent with the weaving of first century Palestine, but not 14th-century Europe. New research has also identified pollen grains on the Shroud that some experts claim could only have come from the vicinity of Jerusalem during March and April " Passover time " when such vegetation is in bloom.

For these and other research-based reasons, the cloth is said to be clearly established as an authentic first-century relic from the Near East.
As for the image of the Man in the Shroud, research likewise indicates it is no hoax. The blood stains are real (type AB) and contain human male DNA. The man was about 5’ 11” and weighed about 170 pounds. The Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), a group of scientists who began researching the Shroud in 1976, stated in its report: “The actual image was created by a phenomenon (as yet unknown) or a momentous event that caused ... a sepia or straw-yellow colored image similar to that of a scorch.” Moreover, the image was formed only on the topmost fibrils of the surface fibers touching the body or close to it; the scorch does not go below the surface of the cloth.
how the image got there is by comparing the situation to a controlled burst of high-intensity radiation similar to the Hiroshima A-bomb explosion, which "printed" images of incinerated people on building walls. Shroud researcher Ray Rogers, a physical chemist at Los Alamos Laboratory, said, "I am forced to conclude that the image was formed by a burst of radiant energy " light if you like." In other words, the image is recorded on the cloth as if by a photoflash of brilliant light radiating from the body of the Man in the Shroud. Another researcher, Professor Alan Adler of Western Connecticut State College, concluded that the Shroud image could have been created only by a form of energy that science cannot name.

The fibers of the linen cloth, they say, are encoded with information that no one knew about previously. The information can be extracted to produce an image of the Man in life-like, three-dimensional fullness.
the fact that the Man is seen, in relation to the Shroud, as floating between the top and bottom sections. He is not resting on the stone slab of the tomb, and thus there is no distortion of the body’s image. The buttocks and back are free of distortion by gravity pulling the Man’s flesh into a somewhat flattened condition. The body appears to have been levitating at the moment the image was formed on the Shroud.

Philis, don't you suspect the objectivity of one who describes another as having a "celestial aspect"? I thought this Jesus, who has been appropriated by the aryan west and granted golden hair, was one with his semitic followers characterized mainly as having "black beards and tawney complexions".

Are your own sources any better than mine?

I'm always willing to discover the true nature of things, if you can provide some new lighting, I'll have a look..




I, too, contrary to what you can think, have an inclination towards the intrinsic romanticism of the object.

However, I disprove than nuts like Philis use it for proselytizing purposes.

Just consider the point JLN evoked..

Quote:{don't you suspect the objectivity of one who describes another as having a "celestial aspect"?}unquote

A: Why should I suspect. Pilate was a man familiar with the people of the region. The man is capable of an opinion. And his description matches up with other descriptions. Hence my conclusion would be that Pilate was a good source for information.

Another quote from a contemporary of the times is Publius Lentullus: regarding the appearance of Yeshua.
"with a very reverent countenance".

Once I saw a man so high on pot that there was definetly a celestial aspect to him.

It fills me with happiness that none of you are God!

And it should fill you with happiness that none of us are demons.

I am not so sure of that, JL. Some of us are demons. It is depressing, and frightening, but if you look at what characterizes a demon, it's not hard to find those characteristics in humans these days. You can find videos on the internet of men doing unspeakable things to women, only for the satisfaction of their own twisted cravings. I know of a video of a ten year old muslim boy who hacks off a person's head with a rusty machete. I haven't seen it, and I am not going to. My friend who saw it, and told me about it, was profoundly disturbed by it. He said the ten year old boy looked traumatized before he even began. I don't find it difficult to believe.
The list goes on. Wealthy people who maintain their wealth by keeping others in misery and perpetual poverty. Us, in the middle, reaping the benefits and looking the other way, the continued intolerance of sexual orientations, religious differences.
It would fill me with happiness if there were no demons among us, but I just don't see it.
The more my eyes open, and I see and understand, the harder it becomes to stay happy.

I stand corrected. Decapitating people is comparatively rare, thank goodness, but keeping the poor in misery for economic gain is, sadly, very common. I think that while it is important not to fool ourselves about the so-called superiority (moral and otherwise) of our species, it is equally important to focus on our potential for growth.
My reference to "demons" was purely theological: there are neither devils nor angels. But you're right, both exist metaphorically speaking.
By the way, where have you been?

Wrestling with my demons. Always when I think they are vanquished for good they return with a vengeance. A bruised ego is always a humbling reminder, and I realize I haven't really been listening to myself lately.

That's a surprise. I get the impression that you are unusually free of demons. But at least I'm right--a priori--that you do not have an ego. But then neither does anyone else; they only have the illusion of one.