A choice, yes. One that was inevitably decided, I'm sure...
Religion bids us to blame all our foibles on them, especially Eve. 'God is within us' but Eve spoiled the fun? Nonsense. We should be glad she ate the fruit--unless we are of the mind that we wish we had never been born. Because without her 'sin' we'd not exist. . .
... by overcoming the idea of duality we overcome both 'sin' and 'death.' That is the secret of God--not christianity but reality. Not superstitious rules and judgments but consciousness and awareness.
Unity is the opposite of duality.
Where would they be if they had not eaten of the fruit; what would the earth be like?
If you believe in God, what are his/her attributes?
If you don't believe, explain what the term means to you.
Is God the first cause?
Did he exist before the first event? If so, how may that be explained? Does he somehow transcend time?
If God is omniscient, is he bound to know all things or is he capable of selective foreknowledge?
If he knows all things in advance, do we have free will or are we completely determined?
If God is all powerful (and all loving), is there an explanation for why he permits evil and human suffering?
. . . properly designed beings would have no reason or desire to choose to be evil. . .
When the universe came to be, duality was born. Spirit vs. material, light vs. dark, male and female, etc. It is something unavoidable unless we count out material existence altogether. And by overcoming the idea of duality we overcome both 'sin' and 'death.' That is the secret of God--not christianity but reality.
Not superstitious rules and judgments but consciousness and awareness.
Unity is the opposite of duality.
Terry wrote:In other words, they would not have free will. You may be right.. . . properly designed beings would have no reason or desire to choose to be evil. . .
Now, my take on that:
The first humans rejected God's authority. True, they did not see the extent of human misery that would result. But they chose to set their own standards for good and bad.
We might expect an all powerful creator to immediately set in place a remedy for the sickness which arose in Eden.
When I ponder, what God is, I then say: He is the One in contrast to the creature, as an eternal Nothing. He has neither a foundation, a beginning nor state; and is of naught, save only of Himself. He is the Will of the Abyss. He occupies neither space nor place. From eternity in eternity in Himself He comes to be. He is like or similar to nothing, and hath no particular place which He inhabits.
It just occurred to me that if Unity is really the opposite of Duality, then don't the two of them make up another duality?
(Good/Evil, Birth/Death, Unity/Duality)
. . . As I understand Christian theology, it is impossible for anyone to choose not to sin. That is not free will. Free will is having choices, but not being compelled by a sinful nature to make bad ones. This point is almost invariably misunderstood by Christians. Had we been created without evil, we would not be mindless robots, but we would be free from the irresistible urge to sin. We would still be able to sin if we so desired.
Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good or evil until they ate the fruit, so they had no idea that the serpent would mislead them (as a matter of fact, the serpent told them the absolute truth while God lied to keep them naked and ignorant) or that disobeying God was "wrong."
God should not have punished them for failing his test when he failed to give them the necessary character to resist temptation when he created them.
What is the real difference between people who give in to temptation and those who resist it? Will-power? Innate goodness? Education and training? Where were Adam and Eve to get such things, if not from God?
I do not believe that any being would knowingly choose evil over good unless God had bestowed a less-than-perfect body/mind/soul on them. A perfect being could choose evil, but would not.
It has been at least six thousand years since Eden (Bible reckoning, mankind has probably had the ability to know good and evil for somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 years) and people still have the same old biological urges which impel them to harm others. Promising salvation/punsihment after death does nothing to end the misery here on earth. When do you suppose God will get around to fixing the real problem: our brains have been programmed by millions of years of evolution to put our own survival and happiness first, and only thousands of years of civilization to instill the social conditioning to counteract such tendencies.
And yes, Adam and Eve's rebellion has put us all into slavery to sin.