Define God

Re: Define God

neologist wrote:

If you believe in God, what are his/her attributes?
If you don't believe, explain what the term means to you.

Just two things to consider:

Time/space limitations
Predetermination
Etc.

I think you ask the right questions. I like you.

As a Deist (<--note the misspelling in my name, I should have proffread before clicking submit. LOL, I'm dumb) I am proud to tell you I don't know. I do believe in God (by no real name.) And I can't see why a shape such as a human one or other wise who be nessisary for a such a being. I like the idea of God as just a great clockmaker who enjoys the beauty and majesty of which it has created. I don't believe that we can communicate with God or that he responds to what we ask such as prayers. I do believe that he gives us "reason not religion" so that we can grow as a culture, and I believe that it believes in us. God does not interact with us in our daily lives, but instead does not need to do so, because humans by nature are good.

Complex and yet vague. I thik if you were to take one line from what I wrote: "I don't know." is probably has the least rhetoric.

Liberation

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Liberation.

My thoughts, exactly.

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The word "god" makes a handy-dandy expletive as does **** and **** and.......

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Re: Define God

Diest TKO wrote:

I thik if you were to take one line from what I wrote: "I don't know." is probably has the least rhetoric.

of course you dont know. Its the only reasonable position any intelligent and thinking person can come to. Its the theists and religionists who dishonestly claim to know what is fundamentally unknowable who attract my ire.

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Perhaps your ire is lonely and in need of the company of theists and religionists?

<humor>

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Perhaps his irate something which disagreed with him

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Even if you choose not to choose you still have made a choice .....

Try this.

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That's a pretty neat survey, but I was kind of disabppointed that it only lists 27 different religions. Howver, when I'm done, it still doesn't provide an image of what I see or feel inside.

I see you point about electing to not choose is a choice, so I guess I would clarify that I choose not to make-up or pretend. I'd rather wait and discover.

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Gelisgesti wrote:

Even if you choose not to choose you still have made a choice .....

Try this.

Your logic does not hold up. For example, if I do not ride a motorcycle it does not impute that I chose not to ride a motorcycle. Neither religion nor motorcycles are an imperative (insert joke here for Hell's Angels).

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One defines God by process of thought, the products are varying degrees of belief, non belief, or ignoring the question entirely.... any decision requires consideration of the premise 'is there or is there not'?
Thought, even fantasy, is real ... even without the quality of being corporeal.

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Interesting thought. I try to disipline myself to not anticipate. I think it is the most honest.

You are right though, Fantacy is as real as one allows it to be. For instance, if I believe hard enough, I can worship a can of Coke or say the Television. I can imagine it's cosmic importance, I can even develpo fear of it. All things of teh mythological world are simple boolean equations.

Tkae for instance the idea of a Unicorn. You and I both know that they don't exist, and for that anyone to have ever claimed to see one is a liar. However, despite all rationale we still allow the idea of a unicorn to exist. It's an equation of two things we can confirm and do believe in.

Horse + Horn = Unicorn.

Both things exist, and we can imagine their addition easily enough so we allow the idea to exist.

funny that two rights doesn't make another right.

I believe the same goes for the construction of many Gods or images of gods. Hell I
ll go all the way: The idea of God.

If God created Man, or if Man created God is an irrevelvant question. God(s) still have a very real power over us and our world.

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You have to drop your anchor somewhere .... life will determine whether the anchor holds, slips, or fouls. The crux lies in that you realize the more scope you give the line the more secure the anchorage.

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A relevant consideration in the topic of 'Define Evil'.

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it will take exactly one human lifetime to define god.

just when you're there you have to pass the baton on to the next runner

its all pretty pointless really. there are as many gods as there are beings capable of perceiving them.

the truth of course is man invented god, and mankind defines the concept in a myriad of ways.

i cant define god even to myself. how am i supposed to define that word for the benefit of others?

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To consider is to define, to whatever degree.

To find the secret look to a babys first smile, so complex, so simple.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

it will take exactly one human lifetime to define god.

just when you're there you have to pass the baton on to the next runner

its all pretty pointless really. there are as many gods as there are beings capable of perceiving them.

the truth of course is man invented god, and mankind defines the concept in a myriad of ways.

i cant define god even to myself. how am i supposed to define that word for the benefit of others?

you know Steve you speak a lot of sense even after a glass of wine or 3 at one in the morning.

Well thanks

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Talkin' to yerself agin, Steve? Laughing

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Steve 41oo wrote:

it will take exactly one human lifetime to define god.

just when you're there you have to pass the baton on to the next runner

its all pretty pointless really. there are as many gods as there are beings capable of perceiving them.

the truth of course is man invented god, and mankind defines the concept in a myriad of ways.

i cant define god even to myself. how am i supposed to define that word for the benefit of others?

Gelisgesti wrote:

To consider is to define, to whatever degree.

"Defining" is always a matter of degree, isn't it? Is there any concept that can be completely defined AND understood? We use words to attempt to define "God"/"god" (or whatever), but none of our words have definite meaning. What does that mean? [Where's Fresco? What would Polkinghorne say? Mr. Green

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echi wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:
it will take exactly one human lifetime to define god.

just when you're there you have to pass the baton on to the next runner

its all pretty pointless really. there are as many gods as there are beings capable of perceiving them.

the truth of course is man invented god, and mankind defines the concept in a myriad of ways.

i cant define god even to myself. how am i supposed to define that word for the benefit of others?

Gelisgesti wrote:
To consider is to define, to whatever degree.

"Defining" is always a matter of degree, isn't it? Is there any concept that can be completely defined AND understood? We use words to attempt to define "God"/"god" (or whatever), but none of our words have definite meaning. What does that mean? [Where's Fresco? What would Polkinghorne say? ]

If you were to describe god subjectively wouldn't god share authenticity with your thoughts? As we test sweet and bitter with our senses don'''t we also test our reality with our, individual, intellects? How else are we to rationalize events ....

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