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Bad week for both Zarkawi and dems

 
 
Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 04:48 pm
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051126/COLUMNIST14/511260371/-1/NEWS18

A bad week for Zarqawi

ABU Musab al Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda chieftain in Iraq, had a bad week this month.

It would have been a really, really bad week if Zarqawi had been among the seven al-Qaeda leaders killed in Mosul Nov. 19. But even though he got away again, he had a rotten week.

That was also a bad week for anti-war Democrats, who had their bluff called in the House of Representatives.

Zarqawi's bad week was a product of the suicide bombings he orchestrated Nov. 9 against three hotels in Amman, Jordan. The bombings resulted in 62 deaths, mostly of Arabs attending a wedding.

Because of its large Palestinian population, Jordan had been the country most supportive of al-Qaeda.

No longer. On Nov. 18, more than 200,000 Jordanians took to the streets to demonstrate against al-Qaeda. Zarqawi is Jordanian, but his tribe has disowned him.

This is a big deal, said James S. Robbins, who teaches at the National Defense University in Washington D.C:

"One of the reasons I thought the report of Zarqawi's death was credible at first was that his tribe had forsaken him," Mr. Robbins wrote in his National Review Online column. "Extended tribal ties among groups in al Anbar province in Iraq may be what has kept him safe thus far."

It could have been a tip from a disgruntled relative that led U.S. and Iraqi troops to surround the house in Mosul where seven men and a woman died, several by blowing themselves up. More likely, they were ratted out by Iraqis who had once been friendly to al-Qaeda, but are turning against it.

There has been a surge in tips from Iraqis over the last month, a U.S. intelligence officer told the Washington Post. "These tend to be traditional Iraqi leaders - sheiks and imams - upset with the organization, especially its recent execution of Sunni Arabs in Ramadi," the official said.

Ramadi, the capital of al Anbar province, is a smuggling center that long has been as lawless as Dodge City before Wyatt Earp became marshal. There have been running gun battles between local insurgents tied to the former regime of Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. There also have been gun battles between al-Qaeda and U.S. troops in Ramadi, which have gone badly for al-Qaeda.

More than 200 "insurgents," most of them al-Qaeda members, have been killed or captured in Operation Steel Curtain, a joint Marine-Iraqi operation just concluded, which had been cleaning out hideouts along the Syrian border.

Zarqawi has lost a number of key lieutenants in recent weeks, thanks to the increasing number and timeliness of tips. The most recent were Abu Ahmed, the "Emir" of Sadah, nabbed on day three of Steel Curtain, and Abu Ibrahim, a technology expert who manufactured triggering devices for roadside bombs, taken in Baghdad Oct. 31.

More of Zarqawi's command network was lost in the house in Mosul, even if he himself got away.

With the walls falling in on al-Qaeda in Iraq, it would seem a curious time for congressional Democrats to go into pre-emptive surrender mode.

U.S. Rep. John Murtha (D., Pa.) introduced a resolution on Nov. 17 calling for the deployment of U.S. troops in Iraq to be terminated and the redeployment of the forces "at the earliest practicable date," which he said could take about six months. The resolution called for a "quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines" to be deployed.

Mr. Murtha, a retired Marine reserve colonel and a decorated Vietnam veteran, is a substantive man. The news media described his resolution as a blow to the Bush Administration.

"When President Bush decided to wage war on Saddam Hussein, perhaps no Democrat was a firmer ally," wrote Maura Reynolds in the Los Angeles Times.

This was untrue. Mr. Murtha had expressed doubt about going to war in 2002, and had declared Iraq "unwinnable" in May of last year.

Showing more backbone and more brains than they customarily do, House Republicans the next day called for a vote on a resolution stating simply that "the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately." It failed, 403-3.

Democrats who had applauded the introduction of Mr. Murtha's resolution whined it was dirty pool for Republicans to make them vote on his bottom line. "It's a trap," a Democratic strategist told Newsweek's Eleanor Clift. "If the party comes out for a unilateral six-month withdrawal, that would become the issue for '06, and they [Republicans] would kill us again."

Democrats like to make antiwar noises for their moonbat base, but were unwilling to cast a vote that could hurt them with swing voters.

They were too cowardly to be forthright cowards.
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Stevepax
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 04:57 pm
Gotta agree Gunga. The Democrats have no backbone whatsoever, or they would have voted to the person to back Murtha. Very disappointing. Do remember though when you are talking about the anti-war moonbase, that you are now talking about the majority of the American People who now think we should get the hell out. They also think that George and his Administration have fubar(ed) this whole operation.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 05:04 pm
Stevepax wrote:
Gotta agree Gunga. The Democrats have no backbone whatsoever, or they would have voted to the person to back Murtha. Very disappointing. Do remember though when you are talking about the anti-war moonbase, that you are now talking about the majority of the American People who now think we should get the hell out. They also think that George and his Administration have fubar(ed) this whole operation.



I think W. has done the best job anybody could have done given what he's had to work with, including a military which was unprepared, courtesy of the previous admin, a divided country which may ultimately have to be simply split up, and the mass use of suicide bombers which nobody on the planet has figured out yet.

At least not recently. Jack Pershing pretty much had it figured out 100 years ago:

http://crusaderammunition.com/pershing.htm
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 05:08 pm
The other thing you've got to notice here is the utter hypocrisy of the rats. They're perfectly willing to use a guy like Murtha for their own spin machine purposes but, the first time they have to take a real vote which would clearly put them on the wrong side of history in all future history books and likely at the polls, they happily toss him into the dumpster while crying that the mean pubbies made them do it.

What you're really seeing there is political psychopathy.
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Tino
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 06:33 pm
Thankyou for posting that, Gunga, it was most informative and engagingly-written. Smile
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Stevepax
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 08:01 pm
gungasnake wrote:
I think W. has done the best job anybody could have done given what he's had to work with, including a military which was unprepared, courtesy of the previous admin, a divided country which may ultimately have to be simply split up, and the mass use of suicide bombers which nobody on the planet has figured out yet.

At least not recently. Jack Pershing pretty much had it figured out 100 years ago:

http://crusaderammunition.com/pershing.htm



If you say so.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2005 11:08 pm
As far as GWB= Good With Bombs, is concerned he would be kept alive as long as possible to frighten the public.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 12:03 am
I think there will b many lessons to learn from the disaster of the Bush Administration.

The first is never to let a clown and a psycho into the White House - well not at the same time anyway.

The second is for the Congress to realise it's there to serve the nation not the President (whoever he or she may be).

The third is that the Democrats have to start acting like a real opposition (a loyal opposition) and stop being pale Republicans - thereby giving the people real choice.

The fourth is that Hillary Rodham Clinton should not be nominated for President.

The fifth is that NeoCons need to be hunted down and driven from any elected or appointed office they occupy lest America face destruction from within.

The sixth is to position America and the rest of the West to deal constructively with the emergence of China as the next Superpower.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:25 am
goodfielder wrote:
I think there will b many lessons to learn from the disaster of the Bush Administration.

The first is never to let a clown and a psycho into the White House - well not at the same time anyway.


Interesting. Apparently, to a psychopath or to somebody who would vote for a psychopath like Slick Klintler, a fairly normal person like George Bush appears psychotic...

Like I've noted, I have all kinds of problems with republicans, but it doesn't really compare to the problems I have with the dems. I mean, I'm basically just voting against the dems these days, i.e. I vote for whoever has the best mathematical shot at preventing the dem from holding the office in question. I don't really care who the other guy is, he could be a communist or a nazi or a republican or anything else.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 10:26 am
Stevepax wrote:
Gotta agree Gunga. The Democrats have no backbone whatsoever, or they would have voted to the person to back Murtha. Very disappointing.

They were not given the opportunity to vote "up or down" on Murtha's proposal. It never came up for a vote. The obstructionist Republicans blocked it.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 10:43 am
Gunga,
When the Marines went into Beirut when Reagan was President,we ended terrorist attacks on us (until the headquarters was hit),by doing the same thing.
We would kill a terrorist,and leave his body where his friends would find it.
Of course,the corpse ham bacon stuffed in its mouth at the time.0
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 12:00 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Gunga,
When the Marines went into Beirut when Reagan was President,we ended terrorist attacks on us (until the headquarters was hit),by doing the same thing.
We would kill a terrorist,and leave his body where his friends would find it.
Of course,the corpse ham bacon stuffed in its mouth at the time.0



You can't really HANG somebody for a suicide bombing. Nonetheless there ARE things you could do if you really wanted to get mean about it. For instance, you COULD put hte dickhead's body or whatever was left of it in a barrel along with the remains of a pig and drop it into the center of his town or village from 30K feet (or better, drop it into the center of that big green monstrosity in Mecca from 30,000 feet), and you could conceivably do what the Japanese used to do with arsonists/terrorists and kill every member of his family, mother, father, brothers, sisters, wife and children.

Every sort of terrorism is predicated on the idea that the victims are more civilized than the perpetrators; take that away, and the whole idea of terrorism basically ceases to work.

My advice to the Iraqi government, to Israel, to Russia, and to several other kinds of places which have problems with terrorists and suicide bombings is that it's past time to take the gloves off with these motherfuckers.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 12:03 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Gunga,
When the Marines went into Beirut when Reagan was President,we ended terrorist attacks on us (until the headquarters was hit),by doing the same thing.
We would kill a terrorist,and leave his body where his friends would find it.
Of course,the corpse ham bacon stuffed in its mouth at the time.0


Anybody wondering what the man's talking about should read the articke about General Jack Pershing on the Crusader Ammunition website:

http://www.crusaderammunition.com
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 03:34 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Every sort of terrorism is predicated on the idea that the victims are more civilized than the perpetrators; take that away, and the whole idea of terrorism basically ceases to work.

Take away that and we don't deserve to prevail against the terrorists.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 03:39 pm
It may really be the case that suicide bombings are a group crime and not an individual crime, and that trying to go on pretending otherwise is a formula for losing a fight that we have to win to survive.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 04:11 pm
I wonder how delsuional one has to be to think that last week was bad for the Dems.
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