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Some military observations from a Marine just back from Iraq

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:43 am
Here's a hot wash from a young Marine just in from the combat zone...

Don't think there is any political comment, only a young man's observations from being there. This Marine spent 7 months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi. Aka: Fort Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he said about weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine with a bird's eye view's opinions:

1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of ****. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly. (that's fun in the middle of a firefight).

3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for clearing houses to good effect.

5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun, developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!). Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.

7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45's are being re-issued en masse.

8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded enemy. Definitely here to stay.

10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300 win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs. and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as **** to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the stuff about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.

12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being whacked at night during movement by hunter-killer teams.

13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations.


Bad guy weapons:

1) Mostly AK47's The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy mostly shoots poorly. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type fire. However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper rifles. (Iran, again) Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Let's just say they know better now.

2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys. Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank range. Still killing a lot of our guys.

3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in Jordan's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155mm artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell phone, and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle, even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there. Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges" (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics. That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks that litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.

4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets (with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of the marine's NCO's lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the wire". Marine's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul ass in a matter of seconds.

5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by cell and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use handheld GPS units for navigation and "Google earth" for overhead views of our positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent. Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the captured GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.


Who are the bad guys?:
Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly "foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world (and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of course, the knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then travel down the "rat line" which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates River that we've been hitting hard for the last few months.

Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as suicide bombers or in "sacrifice squads". Most, however, are hard core terrorists from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc.) These are the guys running around murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads off. The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters. (they have been fighting the Russians for years). In the Baghdad area and south, most of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local govt.'s, the police forces and the Army. The have had a massive spy and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's. Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long ago.


Bad Guy Tactics:
When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming and firing Ak's and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the defenses.

They get mowed down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and M240 above). Jordan's base was hit like this often. When engaged, they have a tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they think will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and that's the end of that more often than not. These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's Waiting Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science. The fast mover's, mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever increasing toll on the enemy. When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130 Spectre gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire, especially at night.

Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all. Fun fact: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber stuff.

The new strategy is simple: attrition.

The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques are locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and ammo and flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members (especially children) is common to influence people they are trying to influence but cant reach, such as local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.).

The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.

Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a hoot about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option.

The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a ****. Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but they are getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of suicide bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a serious tactical mistake. Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the Army and the police forces went up, along with their motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent attacks against civilians.

The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters.

According to this marine, morale among our guys is very high. They not only believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1 and then see things like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the print media. For the most part, we are satisfied with equipment, food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 10:02 am
Re: Some military observations from a Marine just back from
Fedral wrote:
The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally.

Neither can most Iraqis.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 10:09 am
Thanks for posting, Fedral.

The lack of POWs is a main difference that the Vietnam vets serving in Iraq also cite. They mostly fly Black Hawks to ferry infantry troops and are quite aware that unlike Vietnam, being shot down in Iraq most likely means immediate execution.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:36 am
Interesting, Fedral. By the way, the m-60 was also a piece of crap.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:51 am
roger wrote:
Interesting, Fedral. By the way, the m-60 was also a piece of crap.


Can't quite agree with you on this one roger.

I was my part of my unit's M-60 team for a long time, and though I hated lugging that heavy bitch around, I loved her firepower and 'reach out and touch' ability.

As long as you cared for her, she wouldn't let you down.

On the other hand, I wouldn't give you a plug nickle for that piece of shite M-16 with that 5.56 poodleshooter round.

Here is why:

I was in the middle of a field training exercise, advancing with fire.

A strong wind whipped up across our area, bringing a small cloud of dust and sand across my unit.

I **** you not, as the minor dust devil went by, all you could hear was pop, pop, pop, kachhhhhhttt as the weapons started jamming.



Eugene Stoner should have been put against a wall and shot (With M-14s of course) as a spy and sabouteur for inventing and foisting off that P.O.S. on the American fighting man.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:03 pm
Nice post Fed.

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Bottom line though, and they all say this, there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).


This right there is what drives the perception that we aren't winning the war; not that we don't win engagements (I'm sure that we win about 99% if not more of engagements) but that since we are fighting such a soft target, it will be difficult to 'win,' that is, to end the violence and stabilize Iraq; especially given the re-inforcements they recieve from Iran and Syria and others.

Cycloptichorn
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 07:41 pm
Fedral,

I am assuming you are the Marine? If so, this is for you.

God Bless You! Thank You! You are a hero!http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/heart.gif

If you are not the Marine and you know him, please pass that along for me.

I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!
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Fedral
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:57 am
Momma Angel,

I'm not the Marine who originated this piece. I wish I would have had that honor.

This piece was passed to me by one of my oldest friends from high school. (A Marine for 20 years now)

One of the troops in his unit wrote it and he just passed it on to me.

I hope to someday meet this young man to buy him a drink and thank him for all he did
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:16 am
Re: Some military observations from a Marine just back from
joefromchicago wrote:
Fedral wrote:
The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally.

Neither can most Iraqis.


How would you know this, you Parrot.

Great post.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 10:21 am
Re: Some military observations from a Marine just back from
woiyo wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
Fedral wrote:
The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally.

Neither can most Iraqis.


How would you know this, you Parrot.

I read the papers, you Muskrat.

woiyo wrote:
Great post.

Thanks.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 10:23 am
A low and unconscionable slur of all Muskrats . . .
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 10:29 am
Re: Some military observations from a Marine just back from
joefromchicago wrote:
woiyo wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
Fedral wrote:
The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally.

Neither can most Iraqis.


How would you know this, you Parrot.

I read the papers, you Muskrat.



Exactly what a Parrot would say...repeat after others.

Here is the words from someone who was there.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 10:33 am
Re: Some military observations from a Marine just back from
woiyo wrote:
Exactly what a Parrot would say...repeat after others.

Exactly what a Muskrat would say...when in doubt, stink 'em out.

woiyo wrote:
Here is the words from someone who was there.

How do you know that?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 10:37 am
Setanta wrote:
A low and unconscionable slur of all Muskrats . . .

I apologize. The muskrat is indeed a noble creature who fills an essential ecological niche.

http://www.eeob.iastate.edu/faculty/ClarkW/images/MUSKRAT.JPG

"Bush-Cheney in 2008!"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 11:09 am
heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 11:11 am
I'm gonna steal that for my sig line . . . hope you won't mind . . .
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 11:12 am
Bottom line though, and they all say this,

Quote:
there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria.



We have heard that complaint time and time again and also the rebuttal by the administration that the commanders on the ground say they have sufficient troops. Who do you think is telling the truth?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 12:34 pm
Fedral Wrote:

Quote:
Momma Angel,

I'm not the Marine who originated this piece. I wish I would have had that honor.

This piece was passed to me by one of my oldest friends from high school. (A Marine for 20 years now)

One of the troops in his unit wrote it and he just passed it on to me.

I hope to someday meet this young man to buy him a drink and thank him for all he did.


If you ever do meet him, please buy him a drink from me and give him my most heartfelt thanks.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 02:20 pm
au1929 wrote:
Bottom line though, and they all say this,

Quote:
there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria.



We have heard that complaint time and time again and also the rebuttal by the administration that the commanders on the ground say they have sufficient troops. Who do you think is telling the truth?


I've made this complaint myself when I served and so has just about every foot soldier who ever served. I've also heard commanders constantly agree with their superiors in most cases.

Foot soldiers alway want more help, and commander will "parrot" whatever will keep them in command.

The truth is usually somewhere in between.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 02:28 pm
The truth is that Rumsfeld will kill the career of any general that disagrees with him. The little ceasar has managed to "plan" the US into the morass it now finds itself. The bumpkin should have let the military do the planning.
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