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Why do protestants deny their catholic heritage?

 
 
Questioner
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:14 am
Ah! Thanks for the link Smog.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:29 am
The Catholic church was becoming stingingly corrupt--making additions to church rules--charging money for a shorter tour of duty in purgatory...

MLuther got fed up, and publicly challenged the church--a protester--Protestant.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:34 am
Smog - you speak true.

I'm really surprised here at the lack of knowledge not only on the roots of the catholic church, but also at the history of other relegions.

I mean, Peter, who DOESN'T know that name means rock. Rolling Eyes

Well Duh, yeah the anglican church broke away from the catholic church, using Henry VIII desire to get rid of a woman who could not give him a son. He divorced one and exectuted another before he finally had a living son by Jane Seymour, who died on her own.
Isn't that all taught to every school child?

http://tudorhistory.org/wives/

I think this is all really funny.

Raise you hand if you really think catholics sacrifice first borns at mass toward the beginning of the month.
C'mon, don't be shy.

No wonder the last supper was such a gloomy affair, those wafers aren't anything to write home about.

Uptight Catholics?
What, because many of them don't get into dancin' around and throwing their arms in the air, and maybe prefer some solitude to commune with their Maker?

Catholics are some of the most relaxed bunch I've ever met. They don't preach, mind their own bees wax, and get a good laugh over the rediculous things others believe about them.
Catholics don't care or even think about if you hate them or not...especially when they hear such foolishness about them.


Come out Virginia
Don't make me wait
Catholic girls start much too late
Sooner or later it comes down to fate.....
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smog
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:37 am
Lash wrote:
MLuther got fed up, and publicly challenged the church--a protester--Protestant.

Well, technically, at the time Luther established his church, "to protest" meant "to declare or state formally or solemnly (something about which a doubt is stated or implied); to affirm...", according to the OED. He was called a Protestant not because he challenged the church, but rather because he was affirming the validity of the true church. It's a very important distinction to make.

Lash, you should also remember that it was the opinion of the Protestants at the time that the Catholic Church was becoming more corrupt, not that it necessarily was more corrupt. Another important distinction.

(I also don't like how the meaning of the word "protest" has changed over time to mean basically the exact opposite of what it actually means.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:39 am
Re: Why do protestants deny their catholic heritage?
dyslexia wrote:
Must be about 85% of all protestants I've known deny their christian heritage from the roman catholic church and trace their roots directly back to jesus or peter. Is this due to lack of historical knowledge or simply revisionism?


In Europe, 100% know that - Luther was originally a Catholic monk.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:43 am
No. You should remember what the Catholic church was doing. The main changes Luther protested were corrupt.

You should be able to accept that. There are levels of corruption in everything.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:44 am
Chai Tea wrote:

Blah blah blah, arrogant prattle, blah blah, you're all inferior blah.


We learn by asking questions. Thus a question was asked.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:45 am
I don't know how you could possibly attempt to divorce the word protest from protest...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:46 am
Lash wrote:

MLuther got fed up, and publicly challenged the church--a protester--Protestant.


Wrong.

The name Protestant first appeared at the Diet of Speyer in 1529, when the Roman Catholic emperor of Germany, Charles V, rescinded the provision of the Diet of Speyer in 1526 that had allowed each ruler to choose whether to administer the Edict of Worms. On April 19, 1529, a protest against this decision was read on behalf of 14 free cities of Germany and six Lutheran princes who declared that the majority decision did not bind them because they were not a party to it and that if forced to choose between obedience to God and obedience to Caesar they must choose obedience to God.
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smog
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:47 am
Lash wrote:
You should be able to accept that.

Heh. I'm not Catholic. I was trying to say that you can't be sure about most things, especially not something that happened so long ago, and you cannot know the motivations of all of the people who were doing some of the things you call "corrupt". Some of those people probably were corrupt because, as you said, corruption tends to exist (almost) everywhere. But you can't say the church as a whole was corrupt, or that every person selling indulgences was doing so for corrupting--and not saving--reasons.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:49 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Lash wrote:

MLuther got fed up, and publicly challenged the church--a protester--Protestant.


Wrong.

The name Protestant first appeared at the Diet of Speyer in 1529, when the Roman Catholic emperor of Germany, Charles V, rescinded the provision of the Diet of Speyer in 1526 that had allowed each ruler to choose whether to administer the Edict of Worms. On April 19, 1529, a protest against this decision was read on behalf of 14 free cities of Germany and six Lutheran princes who declared that the majority decision did not bind them because they were not a party to it and that if forced to choose between obedience to God and obedience to Caesar they must choose obedience to God.


Wrong. The name not need be applied--the movement was born. Depends of if you are more concerned about words, or events.

I speak of the event.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:50 am
Well, you are the church historian here.

Sotty for my misquoting the sources.
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smog
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:54 am
By capitalizing the word "Protestant", especially in relation to a "protester", you cross into an area where you are indeed concerned with words, or where most of your audience will indeed be concerned with those words. It's hard to focus solely on the events when assigning such meaning to those words, only then to want to stop discussing those meanings.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:56 am
Continue to discuss. You don't think the 96 Thesis was a complaint against the status quo?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:56 am
95?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:59 am
Make some more guesses.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 11:59 am
Questioner wrote:
Chai Tea wrote:

Blah blah blah, arrogant prattle, blah blah, you're all inferior blah.


We learn by asking questions. Thus a question was asked.


No, not arrogant questioner, just amused that so many can believe so many ridciulous things about a group BEFORE doing even the most preliminary research on your own.

BTW, where was the prattle? At least I've got my history straight, rather than just "hearing something, somewhere"

Another true fun fact about catholicism.....Yes, Catholics DO worship idols. Don't let them try to fool ya. Those little dark rooms called "confessionals"? Those are just a cover up. When you go in there, there's a secret lever under the kneeler that opens a small door that leads to an underground vault where those who wish are free to worship at the feet of St. Zita, St. Blaise or even St. Herman the Cripple. It's all true! Rely on it!

You're not inferior questioner, you're just not better.

Hey! New signature line! Thanks questioner!
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smog
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:01 pm
Lash:

Why couldn't it be an affirmation of what Luther thought the true church was? Someone doesn't create/establish/form/whatever religions solely because some other guy has it wrong, but rather mainly because that first person thinks he has it right. Especially in the case of Christianity, where most of the major branches trace their roots back directly to the Apostles, it would be a bit shortsighted to say that the main root of Luther's church was going against Catholicism.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:04 pm
I'd love to know what Martin Luther would think of the 700 Club and other tithing institutions of today.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:04 pm
Walter-- Don't be so precious. You may have the "official minutia" correct--but as much as you want to disagree with me, not even you would say the protest didn't start with MLuther.
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