Did Bush Lie Us into War?

No, he was nowhere near as wise.

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Yeah, there were the flowers to be thrown a US troops on their arrival on Iraqi soil. This lovely scene helped many get on board the "GWB Iraqi freedom march of their oil".

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“ He who permits himself to tell a lie once finds it much easier to do it a second and a third time till at length it becomes habitual"
~ Thomas Jefferson”

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Zippo wrote:

" He who permits himself to tell a lie once finds it much easier to do it a second and a third time till at length it becomes habitual"
~ Thomas Jefferson"

Well that explains Clinton.

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How U.S. Fell Under the Spell of 'Curveball'
The Iraqi informant's German handlers say they had told U.S. officials that his information was 'not proven,' and were shocked when President Bush and Colin L. Powell used it in key prewar speeches.

By Bob Drogin and John Goetz, Special to The Times

BERLIN ?- The German intelligence officials responsible for one of the most important informants on Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons of mass destruction say that the Bush administration and the CIA repeatedly exaggerated his claims during the run-up to the war in Iraq.

Five senior officials from Germany's Federal Intelligence Service, or BND, said in interviews with The Times that they warned U.S. intelligence authorities that the source, an Iraqi defector code-named Curveball, never claimed to produce germ weapons and never saw anyone else do so.

According to the Germans, President Bush mischaracterized Curveball's information when he warned before the war that Iraq had at least seven mobile factories brewing biological poisons. Then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell also misstated Curveball's accounts in his prewar presentation to the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, the Germans said.

Curveball's German handlers for the last six years said his information was often vague, mostly secondhand and impossible to confirm.

"This was not substantial evidence," said a senior German intelligence official. "We made clear we could not verify the things he said." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-curveball20nov20,0,2053900,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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I don't think Bush lied. Is it lying when you don't know that it's untrue?

I just think he reacted upon reports of weapons supposed to be in Iraq and then those reports turned out to be false or, at best, incorrect.

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Louise_DK wrote:

I don't think Bush lied. Is it lying when you don't know that it's untrue?

I just think he reacted upon reports of weapons supposed to be in Iraq and then those reports turned out to be false or, at best, incorrect.

I have excellent information that reports the Island of Catalina has seceeded from the United States and now has Nucluar warheads ready to launch at Los Angeles. When do we attack??

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Oil had been discovered under Paris, France. When will troops be deployed off the coast of Normandy in a re-enactment of D-Day.

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Better not joke about that knowing how the rightwing feels about France. Have a "freedom fry" on me.

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Sturgis,

I read where you stated that Bush is going to be remembered as one of the 10 greatest presidents of all time.

You're joking right?

He will undoubtedly go down in history as the "all-time worst" president in the history of this country. He's even ruining teh reputation of his own Republican party. They spent the last 10 years marketing themselves to the masses and using every tool in the book to get votes and he's actually flushing that effort down the drain.

It almost feels like Bush is dragging this country down. If we're not careful he's going to cause a depression by 2008. The only thing keeping us from repeating the great depression is our new service economy which was greatly expanded by Clinton in the 90's.

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mark2112 wrote:

Sturgis,

I read where you stated that Bush is going to be remembered as one of the 10 greatest presidents of all time.

You're joking right?

He will undoubtedly go down in history as the "all-time worst" president in the history of this country. He's even ruining teh reputation of his own Republican party. They spent the last 10 years marketing themselves to the masses and using every tool in the book to get votes and he's actually flushing that effort down the drain.

It almost feels like Bush is dragging this country down. If we're not careful he's going to cause a depression by 2008. The only thing keeping us from repeating the great depression is our new service economy which was greatly expanded by Clinton in the 90's.

I second every thing you've said. This thread seemed to have died an unnatural death, so it seems. After seeing the tapes as to how many times, Herr Bush, has lied, I find nothing in him that speaks of Christianity! His propaganda is just another way of sugar coating the evil that lies within the White House. I hope all of the oil crooks, from Cheney, Rove, Libby, Rice, DeLay, Frist and the unnamed co-conspirtors, out to destroy this democracy, institute a police state, spying on US citizens, which are grounds for impeachment and illegal, The republicans who have finally come to their senses, the democrats who have awakened, the "stolen" illegal elections, the vilyfying of US citizens, trying to survive the most devastating disaster in this Nation's history, being treated like foreigners of another country, rather than the citizens they ARE! What a country, where class is what matters. Unless you are part of the moneyed few, expect no help from Bush and company. You are virtually, ON YOUR OWN, NO HELP IS COMING! FEMA, BROWNIE, CHERTOFF, should be abolished! The (White) RED CROSS, should be dismantled after hiring private security, giving little or NO help to minorities and an accounting of the Billion dollars donated. I am a Native New Orleanian, who wonders what country I'm living in? bush reminded us all that the constitution and the emancipation proclamation, DON'T MATTER! Black US Citizens can just go to h*ll, as far as he's concerned! My 2 cents! Crying or Very sad

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You should ask for chnage for your 2 cents.

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Sturgis wrote:

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He told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Whether you like it or not, President Bush tells the truth. Unlike his immediate predecessor (Bill Clinton), President Bush is not capable of telling a lie. It is not in him. It is not in his nature. President Bush is an honest and honorable man and the constant attacks upon him are mainly from those seeking to abolish the United States and the world through self centeredness and immorality among other things.

Years from now, if the mealy mouths don't succeed in demolishing the world, President Bush will be remembered as one of the 10 greatest Presidents this nation has ever had. We are privileged to be alive in this day and age with this good man helping to keep our nation and our planet together. We should appreciate this great blessing.

Sturgis you seem to have gotten your George's confused. This thread is not about George Washington. It's about the present occupant of the White House.

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Correction: He told the truth, the whole truth and ANYTHING but the truth. The word change makes a world of difference.

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teeny good to see you here.

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Hmmm. Still finding things...

From the AP--

In the Shiite holy city of Karbala, municipal workers doing maintenance work uncovered remains that police believed were part of a mass grave thought to date back to 1991, when Saddam's regime put down a Shiite uprising in the south.

The remains ?- discovered Monday ?- were sent for testing Tuesday in an effort to identify the bodies, said Rahman Mashawy, a Karbala police spokesman. He did not say how many bodies were found, and the police claim could not be independently verified.

Human rights organizations estimate that more than 300,000 people, mainly Kurds and Shiite Muslims, were killed and buried in mass graves during Saddam's reign, which ended when U.S.-led forces toppled his regime in 2003. Saddam and seven co-defendants are now on trial for the deaths of more than 140 Shiites after a 1982 attempt on Saddam's life in the town of Dujail, north of Baghdad.

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Noone ever claimed that Saddam was a nice man. However if we declare war on every despot in the world, some much worse than Saddam, we would have to increase our army by 100 and spend that much more of our wealth to achieve these aims. Are you advocating ridding the world of all despots or just trying to justify your hero in the white house.

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Getting rid of the worlds despots should be a function of the nations of the UN. However, getting rid of the despot in the White House is the job of the American Electorate thru their vote in the 06 congressional elections.

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