U.S. Lies About Use of Chemical Weapons

I find your win at any cost mindset most disturbing. The fact that you don't care what other countries think of us and our methods is clear. You won't be too surprised and upset though when American cities start being turned into radioactive dust. After all, it is acceptable to win at any cost.

By the way, just because you'd stop short of nukes, doesn't mean they'll consider that a limitation.

Just like you think using chemical weapons on them is fine.

I don't need to see it first hand. I can read.

Your willingness to use this type of weapon on a human being says everything about you. Everything!

Unfortunately, you don't seem to be filtering out all the anti-American propaganda when you read.

"themobaric"...isn't that a lovely word? It just dances off the tongue.

The High Impulse Thermobaric [HIT] technology achieves higher pressure, temperature and duration levels than the regular SMAW warhead. The explosive fill material is normally a slurry of reactive metal and liquid fuels, optimized for enclosed spaces.

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In July 2005, an article in the Marine Corps Gazette concluded that it had been highly effective in the November 2004 battle for Fallujah. , edition: "Marines could employ blast weapons prior to entering houses that had become pillboxes, not homes. The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives... all battalions adopted blast techniques appropriate to entering a bunker, assuming you did not know if the bunker was manned. ... SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms. ... Due to the lack of penetrating power of the NE round, we found that our assaultmen had to first fire a dual-purpose rocket in order to create a hole in the wall or building. This blast was immediately followed by an NE round that would incinerate the target or literally level the structure."

blatham wrote:

"themobaric"...isn't that a lovely word? It just dances off the tongue.

Here is an article about the thermobaric bazooka the Marines used at Fallujah:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/smaw-ne.htm

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The High Impulse Thermobaric [HIT] technology achieves higher pressure, temperature and duration levels than the regular SMAW warhead. The explosive fill material is normally a slurry of reactive metal and liquid fuels, optimized for enclosed spaces.

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In July 2005, an article in the Marine Corps Gazette concluded that it had been highly effective in the November 2004 battle for Fallujah. , edition: "Marines could employ blast weapons prior to entering houses that had become pillboxes, not homes. The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives... all battalions adopted blast techniques appropriate to entering a bunker, assuming you did not know if the bunker was manned. ... SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms. ... Due to the lack of penetrating power of the NE round, we found that our assaultmen had to first fire a dual-purpose rocket in order to create a hole in the wall or building. This blast was immediately followed by an NE round that would incinerate the target or literally level the structure."

My point is this, if you hate somewhere you are so much, then why stay? If you can't offer solutions then go. That's my point.

Thats horseshit MM. They all take our money, even our so called friends like Pakistan who are now harboring the guy that started all this.

By the way, just because you'd stop short of nukes, doesn't mean they'll consider that a limitation. Just like you think using chemical weapons on them is fine. Maybe they have soneone just like you who think winning at any cost is justified.

We're already using nukes on them in a way ... what do you call irradiated ammunition? Of course, I imagine that's fine with you also. Just because it's all over their landscape and affects their biology, what the hell. MM says whatever it takes to win.

We're already using nukes on them in a way ... what do you call irradiated ammunition?

And you all wonder why the rest of the world thinks Americans are shallow.........and rather dumb.......

Stevepax wrote:

Thats horseshit MM. They all take our money, even our so called friends like Pakistan who are now harboring the guy that started all this.

By the way, just because you'd stop short of nukes, doesn't mean they'll consider that a limitation. Just like you think using chemical weapons on them is fine. Maybe they have soneone just like you who think winning at any cost is justified.

We're already using nukes on them in a way ... what do you call irradiated ammunition? Of course, I imagine that's fine with you also. Just because it's all over their landscape and affects their biology, what the hell. MM says whatever it takes to win.

I agree with all of your posts. I have been trying to pound the same thing into their brains, or what passes for brains, but I give up. You are right.

America deserves what it gets,

Interesting logic these 'able to not know' people display.

oralloy wrote:

blatham wrote:

"themobaric"...isn't that a lovely word? It just dances off the tongue.

Here is an article about the thermobaric bazooka the Marines used at Fallujah:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/smaw-ne.htm

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The High Impulse Thermobaric [HIT] technology achieves higher pressure, temperature and duration levels than the regular SMAW warhead. The explosive fill material is normally a slurry of reactive metal and liquid fuels, optimized for enclosed spaces.

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In July 2005, an article in the Marine Corps Gazette concluded that it had been highly effective in the November 2004 battle for Fallujah. , edition: "Marines could employ blast weapons prior to entering houses that had become pillboxes, not homes. The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives... all battalions adopted blast techniques appropriate to entering a bunker, assuming you did not know if the bunker was manned. ... SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms. ... Due to the lack of penetrating power of the NE round, we found that our assaultmen had to first fire a dual-purpose rocket in order to create a hole in the wall or building. This blast was immediately followed by an NE round that would incinerate the target or literally level the structure."

Sounds like a good plan to me.

The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives

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Unfortunately, you don't seem to be filtering out all the anti-American propaganda when you read.

Of course we filter it out! That's what filters are for, to isolate the rare and valuable.

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The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives

I wonder if Trent Lott would give up that new house his friend Bush mentioned in exchange for the life of a kid from Kentucky?

Or for the life of an innocent Iraqi thermobarized by mistake?

I can't say I understand your opposition to these weapons,

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I can't say I understand your opposition to these weapons,

There's a historical point where the arms trade went bigtime. Steel companies became huge and powerful corporate entitites with the railway builiding boom. The rails spread across europe, north america and elsewhere plus all the cars to move on those rails pushed the demand for steel by some factor you can probably imagine. But with the rails down and the cars built, that market reached saturation.

And whaddaya think those big steel corporations began marketing in order to create new demand? Cannon is the right answer. How marketed? Go to country X and tell them that country Y is about to buy cannon and so they sure as hell better get some too. Manufacture threat to create product demand. Justify your product and its marketing with the seductive "Well, if we don't do, someone else will."

Eisenhower, your ex-republican president, general, and former head of the allied forces in WW 2 gave you guys a warning when he left office. He understood that American militarization was a function NOT of threat but rather of the marketing of threat.

Does Phillips Tobacco wish that smoking by teens cease, even knowing how many it will kill? Does Northrup wish for peace?

My opposition is to the structural relationship between your government, its economy, and war. There's a reason why war is glorified in America in a manner which it presently is not in the rest of the western world.

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I can't say I understand your opposition to these weapons,

There's a historical point where the arms trade went bigtime. Steel companies became huge and powerful corporate entitites with the railway builiding boom. The rails spread across europe, north america and elsewhere plus all the cars to move on those rails pushed the demand for steel by some factor you can probably imagine. But with the rails down and the cars built, that market reached saturation.

And whaddaya think those big steel corporations began marketing in order to create new demand? Cannon is the right answer. How marketed? Go to country X and tell them that country Y is about to buy cannon and so they sure as hell better get some too. Manufacture threat to create product demand. Justify your product and its marketing with the seductive "Well, if we don't do, someone else will."

Eisenhower, your ex-republican president, general, and former head of the allied forces in WW 2 gave you guys a warning when he left office. He understood that American militarization was a function NOT of threat but rather of the marketing of threat.

Does Phillips Tobacco wish that smoking by teens cease, even knowing how many it will kill? Does Northrup wish for peace?

My opposition is to the structural relationship between your government, its economy, and war. There's a reason why war is glorified in America in a manner which it presently is not in the rest of the western world.