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Thu 10 Apr, 2003 01:38 pm
Quote:Stung by anti-war criticism from Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary celebration of the film Bull Durham that was to feature the co-stars.
Hall president Dale Petroskey sent a letter to Robbins and Sarandon this week, saying the festivities April 26-27 at Cooperstown, N.Y., had been called off because of their remarks.
Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under Ronald Reagan, said recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger." (emphasis PDiddie's)
Reached Wednesday night, Robbins said he was "dismayed" by the decision. He responded with a letter he planned to send to Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."
(From Petroskey's letter:)
"In a free country such as ours, every American has the right to his or her own opinions, and to express them. Public figures, such as you, have platforms much larger than the average American's, which provides you an extraordinary opportunity to have your views heard ?- and an equally large obligation to act and speak responsibly."
"We believe your very public criticism of President Bush at this important ?- and sensitive ?- time in our nation's history helps undermine the U.S. position, which ultimately could put our troops in even more danger. As an institution, we stand behind our President and our troops in this conflict," he wrote.
Robbins and Sarandon have been active in peace rallies to protest the war in Iraq. In his letter, Robbins said he remained "skeptical" of the war plans and told Petroskey he did not realize baseball was "a Republican sport."
"I am sorry that you have chosen to use baseball and your position at the Hall of Fame to make a political statement. I know there are many baseball fans that disagree with you, and even more that will react with disgust to realize baseball is being politicized.
"To suggest that my criticism of the President put the troops in danger is absurd. ... I wish you had, in your letter, saved me the rhetoric and talked honestly about your ties to the Bush and Reagan administrations.
"You invoke patriotism and use words like 'freedom' in an attempt to intimidate and bully. In doing so, you dishonor the words 'patriotism' and 'freedom' and dishonor the men and women who have fought wars to keep this nation a place where one can freely express their opinions without fear of reprisal or punishment."
Robbins signed his letter with a reference to an old World Series champion.
"Long live democracy, free speech and the '69 Mets ?- all improbable, glorious miracles that I have always believed in," he wrote.
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Robbins signed his letter with a reference to an old World Series champion.
"Long live democracy, free speech and the '69 Mets — all improbable, glorious miracles that I have always believed in," he wrote.
GREAT!
This is the slippery slope...we're on it...it is much easier not to get on than to get off once you start, unfortunately this is a lesson that we learn once it's too late most times....
Honoring the stars of a baseball movie "ultimately could put our troops in even more danger"? This Petroskey sounds like a real intellect. Just the man we need safeguarding the sanctity of our national pastime!
The slippery slope, yes.
"First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me."
Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
It's an argument that always puzzles me: "We've sent our troops to war, and your criticism of that war puts them in danger."
I thought it was the war that put them in danger?
Free speech about one's controversial ideas and views comes with consequences.
If one believes in what they say, they should be willing to accept the consequences.
Haven't any of you stood up for a principle that you had to pay a price for---at work----with friends----?
Do you know how many associates gave me the cold shoulder because spoke up when they said the word "nigger"? My supervisor told the joke, and trust me, I thought about giving a small smile and keeping my mouth shut... But, I didn't. And I paid for it. And, I'd do it again.
Talk is cheap. Let everyone stand behind their words.
Interesting aside... Did anyone hear a few days ago, that the Dixie Chicks now say Maines' comment was a 'joke'?
I feel ripped off. I thought this was a sport thread!!!
Wilso, I'm afraid you're just another casualty of war in this case.
Of which there's been too many.
Do grown-up men really play baseball?
Grown in terms of their physiology but most certainly juvenile as it relates to their psychological development.
Or as Roy Campanella said (using shorter words but making the same point):
"You gotta be a man to play baseball for a living, but you gotta have a lot of little boy in you, too."
I think there are two things to think about here - the need of the American public to rally around something sacred, and the social need for public protests against issues that the public disapproves of. In this case, these two issues clash. I've heard so many of my "pacifist" friends say, "Well, now that we're IN the war, we need to support our boys" I think that attitude is crap. If everyone shut up about the war and didn't protest, the politicians could say, "See? People approve of the war." Do you REALLY want that to happen?
Sorry. <g> I HARDLY ever go off like that. But I think that what Petrosky did is silly. Just plain silly. <giggles> That's all.
anastasia wrote:I think there are two things to think about here - the need of the American public to rally around something sacred, and the social need for public protests against issues that the public disapproves of. In this case, these two issues clash. I've heard so many of my "pacifist" friends say, "Well, now that we're IN the war, we need to support our boys" I think that attitude is crap. If everyone shut up about the war and didn't protest, the politicians could say, "See? People approve of the war." Do you REALLY want that to happen?
Sorry. <g> I HARDLY ever go off like that. But I think that what Petrosky did is silly. Just plain silly. <giggles> That's all.
I was really annoyed by seeing support for the war grow after it started. So many people are just mindless lemmings. Particularly in Oz which saw a big turnaround. I thought it was disgusting. But we've got so many morons here
I don't care much for Mr. Petroskey or Ms. Sarandon or Mr. Robbins.