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The beginning of the end? (For Tony Blair)

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 07:00 am
did I really say World Cup? yes who can forget that kick from Johnny Wilkinson?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 07:08 am
I agree with SOME of that, Steve, although massive government investment (classic example being the NHS) usually means loads of new office jobs created, resulting in Managers to manage other managers, by imposing lots of new "Initiatives" with paperwork and targets attached to them.
I was told (by my Surgeon, in fact) that there were (in 2003) enough "managers" ie non front line workers, in the NHS, to place one at the end of every NHS patient's bed.

The teaching profession has been swamped with new "initiatives", their paperwork now taking almost as much time as their teaching. The legal system has been overloaded with hastily drawn up, badly thought through new legislation, and added to this, you guessed it, more monitoring forms and many new "initiatives".

Admittedly, New Labour "did the business" in the first three or four years, but then...............

Plus the Iraq debacle, of course.


Lost the plot, is I think the phrase, IMO.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 07:24 am
It is of course Tony's war which is the elephant in the dining room.

I've said this many times before but Governments cant govern by dictat. They need the active co operation and support of the managerial and professional classes. Initially there was a great deal of goodwill towards new labour from such people. But the same people took it very hard when they realised they had been deceived and lied to about the real reasons for war in Iraq. Suddenly that trust vanished, and thats when the wheels began to come off Blair's Government and Blair's authority as PM imo.
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oldandknew
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 07:25 am
a week in politics is a long time & anything can happen in that week. I think blair will bide his time, see how the land lies, how many body bags get used in Iraq & Afgan. How the wind is blowing, check to see if there is an "M" in the month. It'll could be a case of this week, next week, sometime never
These last few years he's been on a fools errand & now he's lost the shopping list
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 07:35 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
It is of course Tony's war which is the elephant in the dining room.


Absolutely spot on.

And for me, nothing else comes close to being as important.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 09:14 am
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Blair says to quit within year

Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Thursday he would quit within a year but refused to give an exact date to placate Labour Party mutineers who want a speedy change of leader to revive their fortunes.

He said that this month's Labour conference would be his last as leader.

But in a televised statement, he said: "I'm not going to set a precise date now, I don't think that's right. I will do that at a future date and I'll do it in the interests of the country."

Chancellor Gordon Brown, eager to heal damaging divisions in the ruling party, said earlier he would support Blair's decision.

Is it enough? A year is still a bloody long time.

The Welsh wont be too happy: Blair would still be leader come the elections next May for the Scottish and Welsh parliaments and English municipalities.

Thats probably why Brown seems willing to accept this - that way Blair can still take the blame for the expected election rout.

Still, a tricky strategy: Blair has come back on his promises so often now, can he even trust him in the least?

And with bitterness in the Blair camp higher than ever after the Brown "coup attampt" they imagine this week's events to have been, the Blairite "outriders" can be expected to do everything they can to discredit, block and hamper Brown's preparation for the leadership.

My bet is that they still want to 'ready' a Blairite challenger - Alan Johnson or, God forbid, John Reid.

If Reid becomes the next Labour leader, I really dont care whether he or Cameron wins next elections. It really wont make a shred of a difference anymore. He's worse than Blair, and possibly worse than Cameron.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 09:18 am
Yep, there will be shenanagans indeed.

Shame he hasn't got Campbell or the evil Dr Mandelson on 24 hour availability.
They would soon have his Sainthood fully restored.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 09:41 am
And amidst all the mess with the two clans of Blairites and Brownites fighting highly personalised warfare with very little ideological substance, it was an article from a trade union leader that sounded like the only level-headed thing that simply made sense.

The Guardian website with its New Labour commentators Toynbee, White and Kettle always on top, has already buried the piece one day after publication, but this is the take that I agree with:

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New policies can win back the core voters we have lost

Downing Street is in denial about New Labour's unpopularity - and the party's revival can't be left in the hands of politicians

Tony Woodley
Wednesday September 6, 2006
The Guardian

Downing Street apparently wants the prime minister to leave office cresting "a wave of euphoria", according to the leaked memo published in the Daily Mirror yesterday. Judging by yesterday's outburst of letter-writing among hitherto staunchly New Labour MPs, it seems that the only wave in sight is from people bidding farewell.

Euphoria there may be, nevertheless. But it will not be secured by appearing on every TV show short of I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, as the delusional spin doctors imagine. It will be because an entirely unnecessary and self-inflicted period of political damage has at last been brought to an end.

I was criticised in a Guardian editorial on Monday for comparing the prime minister's clinging to office with Thatcher's 16 years ago. She, it argued, wanted to "go on and on" whereas Blair has said he will go. There is a difference, but it is not all in Tony Blair's favour. At least we knew - on this matter as every other - what Mrs Thatcher wanted. She spoke her mind plainly.

Today we are lost in a wilderness of hints, of unspoken schedules and timetables, against a background of allegations of broken promises in the past. Leaks and suppositions are no substitute for a clear timetable. A wind of openness and democracy is required to clear the air and lead to a renewal of people and policies. The labour movement deserves to be let in on the process.

Normally, a leader who has won three general elections in a row would be able to expect to choose the timing of his or her departure. We are not in that situation now, however, for three reasons.

The first is the prime minister's unforced announcement in 2004 that he would step down before fighting the next election. That has clearly had a destabilising effect, whatever may have been intended. Second, he has been unable to secure unity at the top of the government. I am in no position to judge where the responsibility for the constant sniping between the Brown and Blair "camps" lies, but no one has been able to put a stop to it. This has further divided the party. Third, and most important of all, the prime minister's determination to continue to nail this country to the mast of George Bush's foreign policy, dramatically highlighted during the Lebanon crisis, has sapped his moral authority beyond recall.

None of this is the result of a leftwing conspiracy. Indeed, it is stalwart backbench Blair supporters, fearing for their seats, who are saying enough is enough.

We are left with a situation in which the Tories can already tell the British people who will be leading their party at the next general election. So can the Liberal Democrats. Only Labour lacks a standard-bearer, and does not know who will be leading the effort to close the widening deficit in the opinion polls.

So the case for ending the uncertainty is overwhelming. Can we really put up with another year of Stephen Byers coming up with crackpot conservative tax-cutting plans and have it spun that he is really spelling out Downing Street's thinking? We need the outriders back in their stables before winter draws in. Nor can we sacrifice Labour seats in the Scottish parliament and Welsh assemblies on the altar of personal ambitions.

With a new leader must come a new agenda. Downing Street seems to be in a state of denial about the real state of the party - and indeed, the real popularity of "New Labour". At the last two elections, the party lost millions of votes, mostly from working people. The electoral system has given us big parliamentary majorities on fewer votes than we used to lose on - and support is further slipping away, particularly as a result of our policy in the Middle East. Unless we address this dissatisfaction, which is far from solely about the prime minister, a leadership election will achieve little. It might restore the trust tarnished by sleaze and spin, but it will not necessarily restore the enthusiasm of 1997.

<insistence on union role bit snipped>

Apart from the imperative of a new independent approach to the conduct of foreign policy, including bringing an end to the disastrous Iraq adventure, an agenda for the years ahead of the next general election should include measures to enthuse core Labour supporters - the sort we lost in 2001 and 2005.

A halt to privatisation would be a vote-winner. One of the biggest cons perpetrated by the Tories was to sell off utilities we owned - gas, electricity, water, railways - and then charge us a fortune to buy the same services back. A fresh drive to tackle poverty through raising the minimum wage and restoring the pensions link with earnings, along with bringing labour rights into line with international standards and serious action to support manufacturing industry, would help too.

None of this would scare floating voters, and would soon expose David Cameron's social conscience for the phoney bluster it is. Of course, it might not represent "the triumph of Blairism" that they are dreaming of in Downing Street, but that is something that will remain for ever out of reach.


ยท Tony Woodley is general secretary of the Transport & General Workers' Union [email protected]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 09:46 am
nimh wrote:

The Guardian website with its New Labour commentators Toynbee, White and Kettle always on top, has already buried the piece one day after publication ...


On the other hand, The Guardians print edition has today reports about "Labour in crisis" on 3/4 of the frontpage and completely on pages 2 to page 6 (well, some adverts in there, too).
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 10:42 am
Just been sent this

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Please find attached a copy of the statement made by the Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party earlier today.

"The first thing I'd like to do is to apologise actually on behalf of the Labour Party for the last week, which with everything that's going on back here and in the world has not been our finest hour to be frank. But, I think what is important now is that we understand that it's the interests of the country that come first and we move on.

"Now, as for my timing and date of departure, I would have preferred to do this in my own my way but has been pretty obvious from what many of my Cabinet colleagues have said, earlier in the week, the next party conference in a couple of weeks will be my last party conference as party leader. The next TUC will be my last TUC, probably to the relief of both of us. But I'm not going to set a precise date now. I don't think that's right. I will do that at a future date and I'll do it in the interests of country and depending on the circumstances of the time. Now that doesn't in any way take away from fact it's my last conference but I think the precise timetable has to be left up to me and to be done in a proper way.

"Now, I also say one other thing after the last week. I think it's important for the Labour Party to understand and I think the majority of people in the party do understand, that it's the public that comes first and it's the country that matters and we can't treat the public as irrelevant bystanders in a subject as important as who is their PM. So we should just bear that in mind in the way we conduct ourselves in the time to come. And in the meantime I think it's important that we get on with the business. I mean I was in a primary school earlier. Fantastic new buildings, great new IT suite. School results improving. I'm here at this school that just in the last few years has come on by leaps and bounds doing fantastically well. We've got the blockade on the Lebanon lifted today. You know, there are important things going on in the world. I think I speak for all my Cabinet colleagues when I say that we would prefer to get on with those things because those are the things that really matter to the country. So, as I say, it's been a somewhat difficult week but I think it's time now to move on and I think we will."
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 01:01 pm
In the words of Mr Blair

" I think it's important for the Labour Party to understand and I think the majority of people in the party do understand, that it's the public that comes first and it's the country that matters and we can't treat the public as irrelevant bystanders in a subject as important as who is their PM."

And far less, I would suggest, in the subject of whether and why we go to war.

But that's what you did, Tony.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 01:36 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
On the other hand, The Guardians print edition has today reports about "Labour in crisis" on 3/4 of the frontpage and completely on pages 2 to page 6 (well, some adverts in there, too).

Oh yeah there's coverage about the crisis slapped over the front, back and middle pages, of course.

It just struck me that they kept the New Labourite op-eds on the subject relatively on the front, but filed this union leader's comment into archive within a day. Even though it was a good piece. Better than the perennial insider-mongering of Martin Kettle.

(Even as Toynbee and White have been distancing themselves strategically, Kettle is remaining combative. Filtering out info from within the No 10 clique, has an over-the-top comment up now that asserts (though never proves) the events to be one big devious Brown plot, and then uses that to blacken both Brown and all the dissenters that were involved. A reader cleverly remarked that it was a case of "the Kettle calling the plot Brown" <giggles>)
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 03:53 pm
For Osso and any others from elsewhere who might only just be getting their bearings on the whole Blair/Brown feud, there's as summary a description of the background as any here:

Ten years of pacts, pettiness and feuds

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Old news already but worth a mention: the leaked memo story. Memo from Blair aides from a coupla months ago about how he should set up his departure over time:

The leaked memo: 'He needs to go with the crowds wanting more'

Embarassing, not least because of the obvious and telling, oh-so-Blairite belief that reality - public perception, party behaviour - can be orchestrated to the smallest detail.

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The epitome of the definition of clarity that Blair has specialised in over the last few years - source of much of the instinctive distrust on the part if his rivals and colleagues - was provided by Ruth Kelly, the communities minister, this week:

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Asked about Mr Blair's departure date this morning, the former education secretary said: "I think that will become clear. I mean, he's given an indication that later today he'll probably confirm some sort of yardstick so that people know approximately that he, along with the perceived wisdom, probably won't be in Downing Street a year from now."

An indication, probably confirm, some sort of yardstick, approximately, perceived wisdom, probably won't be in Downing Street. All in one sentence. My god. That is supposed to be leadership?

(Blair to break silence as Straw hints at May departure)
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 04:04 pm
Just how dysfunctional the relationship between Blair and Brown was, struck again from this snippet from The Guardian's Resignations and threats: the plot to oust the prime minister:

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According to a well-placed source, they had not had a single meaningful discussion about "transition" since before this May's local elections. They had spoken plenty of times on other issues, but not on this particular elephant in the room.

Note - they were both publicly and repeatedly announcing an "orderly transition of power", yet they had refused to even talk once about any detail of what would be involved, for the past half a year! Shocked

It also explains the timing of this furore now. It was around May, in the face of those elections going very badly, that Labour MPs made their clearest warning to Blair yet. He had to give at least a reliable indication of when he was going. Blair did not go into specifics, but implied that he would make his announcement of the schedule of handing over of power this autumn, in time for the Labour conference.

Then nothing was said by Blair to Brown or the MPs for half a year until last week, when Blair suddenly told the Times that he would not make any announcement of when he was going at or before the conference, and implied that he would stay at least another year. Vvvooommm.

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On the note of Blairite distrust of and plotting against Brown - background and bookie odds on possible challangers to Gordon Brown for the Labour leadership are listed here:

Johnson and Reid wait in the wings to challenge chancellor
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 04:13 pm
Today's Guardian Leader points out a lose-lose argument for the Blair camp: either Brown did not stage a "coup", and is thus hardly the evil plotter Blairites claim to have to keep at bay for another year; or he is a putschist - but Blair apparently hasn't got the authority even to oust an outright plotter anymore, which makes you wonder what the point of him continuing any longer is.

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Whether the failure owes more to one man's ego or the other man's vanity is not really the issue. Downing Street accused Mr Brown of trying to blackmail the prime minister. The chancellor's camp charged Mr Blair with putting his own interests above those of the party. If Mr Blair truly believed his chancellor was guilty of blackmail (and was willing to sanction a public briefing to this effect) he should have surely sacked him. That he didn't - or couldn't - speaks volumes about the weakness of his position. An alternative logic is thus irresistible: that the prime minister's grasp on power is so enfeebled that he cannot reasonably cling to office for much longer.

A war without winners

Mind you, the same Leader badly gaffed when it also included the rhetorical question (emphasis added),

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Who could honestly have predicted, back in 1994 or even as late as 2005, that the years of New Labour ascendancy would end in this way, with an irreconcilable eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation between the two men whose raw talent and unprecedented closeness built the most electorally successful government in the history of the British left?

The reader-commenters cruelly pounced on that:

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Craigoh

Er, well granted, in '94 one might not have predicted that, but by '05 - if not half way thru' the 2nd term - it was obvious that Blair would not go unless he was pushed - nay, shoved.

lomcevak

By 2005 ?!?!? Who wouldn't ??? We should be told!!!

Then let's have 'em stuffed (with a nod in the direction of John Cleese and Faulty Towers).

MichaelBulley

Could anyone possibly have said: "I predict that the years of New Labour... eyeball-to-eyeball... raw talent... successful government... British left"? Would anyone have waited for the end of the sentence?

madmustelid

Sod this. Where's the recruiting office for the People's Front of Judea?

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Talking about pouncing.. while "one cabinet aide" went over the top and asserted that "This is a military organised coup", leftwing rebel John McDonnell came up with the better comparison:

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Just like the Sopranos

John McDonnell, the leftwing MP who is the only confirmed challenger to Mr Brown for the Labour leadership, captured the mood. "Most of us have looked on aghast - it's almost been like an episode of the Sopranos, what has been going on over the last couple of weeks," he told Today.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 04:16 pm
One tactic the Blairites have succesfully used over the years so far is dismissing any dissent as being that of "the usual suspects", that is to say: the Old Labour holdouts.

The cool thing about that tactic is that if you're a moderate but sceptical MP sitting on the fence, you only have the one chance to express your criticism. The moment you first come out and say, I think this has gone too far, this new policy is just not right, or even, Blair has had his best time, you will make a splash as "a previously loyal" MP who jumped the ship. "Rebellion goes beyond the circle of the usual suspects", the papers will say, citing your stance. But it only works once. The second and third time you come out in opposition to a government policy, you are ipso facto one of "the usual suspects", and therefore someone the Blair government by definition needs not take into account.

This week's signatories of the letter calling on Blair to go, however, went out of their way to dodge this line of attack:

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"It is clear to us - as it is to almost the entire party and the entire country - that without an urgent change in the leadership of the party it becomes less likely that we will win that [next] election.

"That is the brutal truth. It gives us no pleasure to say it. But it has to be said. And understood. This is not a plot against you by people who want to reverse or slow down the progress you have led. We are all as determined as you are that nothing should stand in its way ... as utter Labour loyalists and implacable modernisers, we therefore have to ask you to stand aside."


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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 04:39 pm
nimh wrote:
The Guardian website with its New Labour commentators Toynbee, White and Kettle always on top, has already buried the piece one day after publication

Mind you, not that I actually disagree with Toynbee this time round - her take is also of the level-headed kind:

After years of skirmishing, the civil war Labour dreaded has broken out

She starts off recounting a curious take. The Blair aide who exclaimed, 'This is an attempted coup!", yesterday, proceeded to sketch a dark web of intrigue that according to him was behind Minister Watson's and the others' letters - and it was all the Old Labour unionists' doing:

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He outlined the thread of contacts and friendships of Tom Watson, the minister who resigned. Most of the signatories to the letter calling on Blair to stand down, he claimed, were linked as old union comrades in arms. [..] The truth that will emerge, he said, is that Blair was "ousted by old Labour trade unions. That's who!" [..] "This is a well-planned, coordinated campaign organised by just one man - Gordon Brown. This is 1970s trade union politics carried out by shop stewards."

Paranoid delusion is the word, I think. Gordon Brown is (alas) hardly Old Labour. And citing links to union ties of old days as proof of anything, really? Could someone please point out the striking number of names of recent Blair Cabinet members who shared comradeship in the good old days of Trotskyite or orthodox communist politics? (John Reid the Stalinist enforcer, anyone?)

Poynbee concludes:
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True or not, the Blair camp will present everything that follows as an old Labour trade union plot - and that is a calamity for Labour. Who lit the blue touchpaper? Some will say that Blair did, with his provocative Times interview in which he refused to give any timetable. If only he had chosen the coming party conference as his timely triumphal exit, the last moment left to leave with dignity and the gratitude of his party.

After all, the only reason why he promised not to stand a fourth time was because he had already lost public trust, along with much of his party's support. [..] His will-rattling attempts to chain his heir to his own agenda have not pleased his party, either. [..]

Here is the danger. The Labour party has no meaningful ideological schism, (certainly smaller than the Tories'). If John Reid, say, puts up against Brown for the loyalist cause, this would be no re-run of Benn v Healey, or only history repeated as farce. Apart from the few on the far left represented by John McDonnell, the great majority of MPs are New Labour, for neither Blair nor Brown, and they agree on most important things. You can find plenty of differences on issues ranging from nuclear power to constitutional reform, but these would criss-cross the Blair-Brown ranks haphazardly. This battle is essentially personal, not ideological.

So when the Blairites say their only purpose is to ensure the future is New Labour, they deceive themselves. Brown is the co-architect of New Labour policy and New Labour economics. He is no back-to-the-future socialist, though some might wish it. Now the Blair camp has broken cover, it is plain the tiny hard core aims to keep Brown out; ideology is only a fig leaf. In their desperation to create a difference, they toss in rightwing hand grenades, such as Stephen Byers's proposal to abolish inheritance tax. Not even the Tories suggest that - yet there was no slap-down from Blair.

Expect many more rightwing suggestions, designed to paint Gordon red. Any leadership contest from a New Labourite will turn into a personal grudge fight, inventing differences to hide what is ancient loathing of a "psychologically flawed" man, blending into the fears of those who know that Brown would demote or sack them.

In this mood, is Labour capable of conducting a leadership election as elegantly as the Tories did, leaving not a bruise on the victor? Can they save themselves? In all political feuds both sides self-righteously believe that they are their party's only true saviour. [..]

Look askance at injured innocence from the Blair camp: he's only just been elected, the public wants him to stay, why is everyone else rocking the boat? Or those who say, "Blair's going anyway, so why does he stand and fight?" No one knows what Blair thinks, but some of those urging him to stay harbour that darker wish: if only he hangs on long enough, another candidate can be got up and running. They have no other cogent policy reasons to explain what good Blair can do in a year, with his authority now gone.


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Another gloomy forward-looking piece on Comment is Free from Peter Wilby continues the line of thought:

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Brown's poisoned inheritance

This will be a better government after Tony Blair has gone, for one simple reason. Gordon Brown won't have Gordon Brown to contend with. The rival poles of power made this government dysfunctional from a very early stage. Ministerial schemes were frequently frustrated by the need to get approval from both No 10 and the Treasury and, sometimes, the approval of one was enough to convince the other that it should not approve. That is why this government has generally lacked consistency of direction and purpose except on the economy (Brown's territory) and, less happily, on foreign policy (Blair's territory). Brown will no doubt have to appoint a few Blairites - though Blairism is so insubstantial as a political philosophy that it is hard to think of more than a handful who won't instantly become Brownites anyway - but he will not have to give away half his prime ministerial power before he starts.

But will it all be too late to save Labour from the general election defeat I predicted here last month? I fear it will. The best time for Blair to go was in late 2003 or early 2004, after the Iraq war and the discovery that Saddam's weapons of mass destruction didn't after all exist. Blair had no need to make apologies for the war. He could have stood by his belief that it was a good thing to overthrow a dictator while recognising that, wittingly or unwittingly, he had misled the people on one of the chief reasons for committing British troops. Blair would have appeared honourable (as the Tory foreign secretary Lord Carrington did when he resigned because the Foreign Office failed to foresee the Argentine invasion of the Falklands), New Labour's diminished reputation for honest government would have been restored, and the chancellor could have taken over smoothly, without being accused of a coup. Brown could have built a new, younger governing team and, within two years, faced the electorate with the honeymoon gloss still upon him. Labour's activist support would have rallied, with the poison of Iraq instantly drained. There would have been no need for Polly Toynbee's nose-pegs, and possibly no lost seats.

Brown now inherits damaged goods: a warring party and a sullen electorate. Beware of voters who wanted to punish a party but felt, for whatever reason, they couldn't do so. That was the mood in 2005, and it was also the mood in 1992. What happened to the Tories in 1997 could easily happen to Labour in 2009 or 2010. [..]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2006 10:54 pm
Possible February announcement, quit in May and new PM in place by June

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2006/09/07/tbgogttaa.gif

In public, apologies and harmony. In private, a deal
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 03:15 am
I know you like Simon Hoggart in the Guardian nimh/Walter

this is one of his better ones imo

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/columnist/story/0,,1867463,00.html

seems to be a good bunch of Simons writing for todays paper

Simon Jenkins excellent article on over hyping terrorism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1867405,00.html

And a really worthwhile read about Iran from Simon Tidsall in that countrty.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1867441,00.html

a letter worth quoting in full

"I feel seriously that I dont care at all about when Tony Blair resigns"

PLUS I did their 'hard' soduko in 24 mins

I like the Guardian. Smile
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 03:20 am
"I feel seriously that I dont care at all about when Tony Blair resigns"

That's me, Steve.....and I used to be so passionate about the Labour party. My Dad was an active fully paid up member all his life, and he would be so annoyed with it all, if he were still here today.

No wonder our young never bother to vote any more.
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