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The beginning of the end? (For Tony Blair)

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 03:46 am
Well I dont mind admitting that I still am a member of the party. But more an observer than an active member these days. I suppose its apathy really. I'm so apathetic I cant be bothered to cancel my subscription.

Perhaps I ought to stand up and resign in a fit of indignation...but I dont do indignation very well.

McTag agrees with me that its Iraq that really gets people. To take the country to war is a serious business, but to mislead the country into war is criminal in many peoples view. I dont go quite that far myself...I think we actually delude ourselves about the real nature of our 'democracy' and our sovereignty and place in the world wrt the US. We might have limited freedoms to do what we want domestically, but when it comes to big issues on the world stage, we are part of the US, and have been for a very long time. Replacing Blair with Brown will not change that. Gordon loves the US every bit as much as Tony. He holidays at Martha's Vineyard for crissakes.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 03:58 am
Iraq is DEFINITELY the major grumble that I have with Blair (or Bliar, as he became known shortly after the David Kelly thing)

Campbell's gross tactics, coupled with Mandy and the mortgage/Hindujas sacking, reinstating, sacking and eventually ending up with his nose in a far bigger trough didn't help my mood towards Labour, either.

Prescott...don't get me started!

A good day for burying news.....

Blunkett..........

Darling..........

The gift of our water to the Germans.......who are now going to make a MASSIVE profit when they sell.......

The total cock up with our rail networks.......


I could go on...if you like.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 04:20 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
The gift of our water to the Germans.......who are now going to make a MASSIVE profit when they sell.......
Bloody hell I didnt know that. Surely the Germans dont own my water? However my power comes courtesy of EdF Energy as they cunningly call themselves here, and not Electricite de France...

Do you think anyone would be interested in buying some of our land. How about Wales? Hang on isnt that already Pays de Galles?

I dunno LordE, there are times as you probably gather from recent posts, when I cant take things too seriously.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 04:28 am
JA! Mein Herr!

Lookenzee here.....

PANORAMA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5253610.stm

Snippet:

...."MICHAEL FISH: So, how much money are the biggest companies making in pre-tax profits? United Utilities peaking at 652 million over the last financial year. Severn Trent is next with 395 million. Anglia Water is just behind with 372 million profit a year. Thames Water, the biggest leaker, is making 346 million. So not suffering much of a drought really in terms of income.

DAVIES: This is the Power Tower in Essen Germany. Headquarters of the German utilities giant RWE, the company which owns Thames Water. It's invested a huge amount of money in the British water industry, but it's taken its fair share out as well. During its six years of ownership RWE has withdrawn nearly one billion pounds from Thames in dividends. RWE have just announced that they'll soon be selling off Thames Water in a deal that could net the Germany Company a tidy profit of at least billion pounds, so we thought we'd pop along to RWE headquarters in Essen and ask them if as a parting gift to the people of London they might donate a few litres of their own German water. .........."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 04:49 am
on the other hand I hope they hold on to "our" water as (from the same transcript)

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In England and Wales 20% of our water is lost in leaks. Here in Germany the leakage rate is just 7%.


Having done some research of watering holes in the Ruhrgebiet recently, I can vouch for the efficient recycling of a lot of German water.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 04:55 am
I just loved the way that they turned up with a tanker, asking the Germans if they could give them some water to take back to England.

Hilarious!

Good old Panorama. Long may it broadcast.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 05:04 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
I just loved the way that they turned up with a tanker, asking the Germans if they could give them some water to take back to England.

Hilarious!

Good old Panorama. Long may it broadcast.
yeah hilarious. And they would be so serious about it...

Feeling old though, I remember the days before Panorama did comedy
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 07:06 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
I know you like Simon Hoggart in the Guardian nimh/Walter

this is one of his better ones imo

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/columnist/story/0,,1867463,00.html

Yes, I read that one.. very funny.

Quote:
Except of course he didn't quite resign. Instead he revealed a tiny bit more yesterday than he had done the day before. Mr Blair resembles a strip-tease dancer who arrives onstage to loud applause, then coquettishly removes one woolly mitten. [..]

Then the motorcade pulled away, Mr Blair on the side away from the demonstrators, as he glided back to Downing Street to continue his hectic schedule of not resigning.

Will look at the other links.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 07:27 am
BBC:
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Former Home Secretary Charles Clarke has accused Gordon Brown of "absolutely stupid" behaviour during the furore over Tony Blair's leadership.
Mr Clarke told London's Evening Standard newspaper people were angry at pictures of Mr Brown smiling broadly as he left Downing Street on Wednesday.


From the Evening Standard (1st edition, page 7):

http://i4.tinypic.com/2nswcqc.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 07:53 am
Well, that was a short-lived truce...
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 07:54 am
nimh wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
I know you like Simon Hoggart in the Guardian nimh/Walter

this is one of his better ones imo

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/columnist/story/0,,1867463,00.html

Yes, I read that one.. very funny.

I like Jon Henley's Diary too.. all those highly curious odds and ends he gathers from the likes of the Lewisham and Catford News Shopper in 'comment' of current affairs... these nuggets just from the last three days:

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· In seeking to understand the dramatic, perhaps historic, events that have, over the past two days, so rudely shaken our great nation, it seems we have neglected the immense - perhaps crucial - role played by Farmers Weekly. "Autumn is just around the corner, and the peak season for TB will soon be upon us," warns the publication darkly on page 35 of its current issue, beneath a frankly insurrectionist headline, Time To Unite Against TB. "If we are to get on top of TB, as we must do, then the disease must be tackled. That means action on every front ... We will never win the battle if we fight with one hand tied behind our backs." Innocent agricultural magazine or seditious propaganda sheet? Unhappy coincidence or treasonous call to arms? We report. You decide.

· Back in the dark and desperate days of 2003, when the Tories were at their lowest ebb and the tide was showing no signs of turning, this paper thoughtfully commissioned a hot young ad agency to come up with a campaign that might actually win votes. Their radical new post-political concept was to take any good experience and link it to the Conservatives, and any bad one and associate it with Labour. Thus, a sad-faced woman might appear with the words "My cat died under Labour", or a happy chap with "We won the Cup under the Conservatives". Simple but brilliant, the winning slogan was: "It rained less under a Conservative government". Yesterday Dave Fotherington-Cameron's newly resurgent Conservative party said it had retained the hot young agency in question, Karmarama, to help it design a series of "innovative campaign projects", including, quite possibly, its local election strategy. This, it appears to us, is beyond irony.

· Three cheers for Mr Tony and his fine government for choosing Trevor Phillips to lead our exciting new Commission for Equalities and Human Rights. It was, of course, a tough post to fill, since only three candidates - the heads of the Commission for Racial Equality, the Disability Rights Commission and the Equal Opportunities Commission - were ever really in with a shout, and the other two wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. So we fully understand Ruth Kelly's need to hire a leading firm of headhunters to find just the right person. And we are most grateful to her staff for getting this firm's fee down from an exorbitant 25-33% of annual salary to 20%, which even on Trev's humble existing per annum of £150k amounts to a mere £30,000 of all our money. Such astute stewardship of the public finances can, we feel, only bode well for the dear girl's next big job, the revaluation of our beloved council tax.

And on unrelated affairs, chiefly concerning squirrels:

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· It seems [..] that we may have been a trifle hasty in awarding our Local Newspaper Headline of the Week Award to the Orlando Sentinel for its admittedly outstanding Man Arrested After Pants Crotch Explodes. We have, it seems, a strong contender in the shape of Teenage Girl Buries Aunt Alive for Selling Dog to Barbecue Shop, from the Kurier newspaper in the north Russian region of Pskov. Regrettably, we disqualified Suicide Squirrel in Opera-Hating Kamikaze Bike Spoke Mangle - the worrying tale of Esa Ruuttunen, Finnish opera singer, who broke his nose just days before the world premiere in Helsinki of a major opera when a squirrel got tangled in his bike wheel - on the grounds that it came from theregister, which is a website. [..]

· Now is not, frankly, the time for a new terrorist threat, but we fear we may have uncovered one. Following our sensational series earlier this summer about squirrel sabotage in Beaver County and, indeed, this week's report about an unwarranted attack by a small bushy-tailed rodent on a Finnish opera singer, we are alerted by the indefatigable Gretchen Lippett to the fact that Google News is currently carrying no fewer than 1,670 squirrel-related stories. Sample headlines include Suicide Squirrels Strike Again; Killer Squirrel Takes On the World; Squirrel Threat Grows; Chased By An Angry Squirrel; Squirrel Defies Police Officer; and Vicious Squirrel Terrorises Town. Metro, the only paper to be taking all this remotely seriously, is already asking its readers What Should Be Done About the Squirrel Menace (a. Wipe out all squirrels, this is war; b. Try to understand their culture better; c. Bribe them with nuts), but the question, quite frankly, touches us all. Especially since, as the Chippewa Herald reports, squirrels at a cemetery in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, are even now "stealing American flags" from soldiers' graves to "rip them up and line their nests". And if that doesn't put the wind up you, we don't know what will.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 09:22 am
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Local Newspaper Headline of the Week Award to the Orlando Sentinel for its admittedly outstanding Man Arrested After Pants Crotch Explodes


very funny thanks. Hasnt Lord Ellpus just come back from Florida? Will go and ask him
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 10:59 am
nimh wrote:
For Osso and any others from elsewhere who might only just be getting their bearings on the whole Blair/Brown feud, there's as summary a description of the background as any here:

Ten years of pacts, pettiness and feuds



Thanks, Nimh. I'm now caught up in reading up to this post. Excellent thread here; it's filling in a lot of info/gaps for me.
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Erik30
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 10:59 am
I think that Tony Blair will go pretty quickly. But personally if i had the choice between them, i'd want Blair as PM any day. Brown doesnt have any "presence" IMO.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 11:46 am
Just read the Ten Years of Pacts article. That was a big help for background, thanks.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 12:12 pm
Glad Smile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 10:49 pm
nimh wrote:
Well, that was a short-lived truce...


In today's The Guardian:

Attack on 'stupid, stupid' Brown revives Battle of Downing St
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Sep, 2006 10:55 pm
Two in five voters want Blair to quit now

http://i1.tinypic.com/3zh17d2.jpg
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 12:56 am
I can't see Gordon Brown as Prime minister. He's a clever man, but he seems to lack the necessary personal qualities. Too distant. And what a smile!

Never smile at a crocodile
No, you cant get friendly with a crocodile
Don't be taken in
By his "welcome" grin
He's imagining how well you'd fit within his skin...


Taken to a popular vote, I think he would fail. And despite 300 years of union, many English don't want to see a Scot up there telling them what to do. Smile
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 9 Sep, 2006 05:02 am
McTag wrote:
Taken to a popular vote, I think he would fail. And despite 300 years of union, many English don't want to see a Scot up there telling them what to do. Smile

Well they got one now...
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