PNAC-America's plan to take global control

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June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

Americans - wake up call here! Check out PNAC (Project for a New American Century) online. Sounds almost like the old trilateralists again.....world dominance.

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I lose immediately. I'm getting in early and invoking Hitler.

There you can all mock me now with whatisname's law.

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This should be no news to anyone. Those jokers have been in business for eight years now. Saddly, most Americans are still clueless about, and many of those who do now don't seem to be bothered about it. The most hopeful thing is that the neocons in the administration are in self-destruct mode right now. Even if the Republicans hold onto the Congress and elect another President, it is doubtful that the agenda of PNAC can be forwarded--which is no reason not to keep an eye on the gobshites . . .

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Huh. I read that and I wonder what the issue is. I agree with everything written above and would gladly sign my name to such a adeclaration.

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Yep.

-McGentrix

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Englishmajor - Are you auggesting that the US should be happy to be a "second rate" economy and a "second rate" military?

NEVER!

We must stive to continue to be the best at everything we do and share our success with our allies.

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Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

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woiyo wrote:

and share our success with our allies.

...........and just what IS the breakdown of all the rebuilding contracts in Iraq?

I can't say I've seen truckloads of British builders heading that way.....

"And one thing that is certain,
Life is good in Halliburton,
If you really are astute,
You should invest in Brown and Root"

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1)....." we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;"

Defence spending, eh?....I see that there is no mention of attack spending...how odd.
...and do you think that there is just a remote possibility that this significant increase will result in some form of monetary reward for any of the signatories?

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

.....and finally, was there a statement anywhere in their manifesto regarding care of the environment? Cutting down on the massive pollution that the USA belches out every day? A mention of proper healthcare for their beloved American people?

I very much doubt it, as this would cost money and not produce a bottom line profit for anyone.

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englishmajor wrote:

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

Patently false.
For example, there are aproximately 40 prisons in the state of Alabama. The number of shools in just the Atlanta area is 5 times that number. You will find that number holds true across the whole United States.

englishmajor wrote:

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out.

If this is true, why do so many foeigners come to the US for their healthcare? Because their own socialized systems are SO bad.

englishmajor wrote:

Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

This is a falacy that is bandied about by those of you outside the States.
Lets use this example, because it happened to me many years back.:
I had been laid off by the company I worked for. I had very little money (Just my Unemployment checks) and NO health insurance.
I broke my arm... so I guess by your example I would have gotten no health care in this country...

Wrong!

I went to the local hospital where I waited in the Emergency Room.
When my name was called I was asked who my health insurance was with...

When I said I had none, was I tossed out onto the street?

Nope, I was treated because US law states that the hospital MUST treat me if I am ill REGARDLESS OF MY ABILITY TO PAY. The hospital is forced to 'eat' the cost of my treatment.

I got treated, xrayed, got a cast and released.

Money from my pocket... 0 dollars and 0 cents.
Yes, our poor are SO ignored. Learn before you comment on certain issues.

englishmajor wrote:

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Yes, because the rest of the world and especially the Muslim community loved us SO much BEFORE. Why is it, whenever there is a problem in the world that YOU want fixed, many of you nations in the UN are SO quick to squeal that the US should DO something, but God forbid the US does something in its OWN interests from time to time.

englishmajor wrote:

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

Please give examples of any countries that value heir people over things and please give some examples of this fabulous charity.

englishmajor wrote:

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

Actually, war DOES solve a lot of problems. It is just mitigating the difficulties of the secondary problems caused by the war that is the problem.

englishmajor wrote:

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

The US still has the largest economy, one of the fastest growing (Of course not as fast as China's but when China joins the game in the 19th century, ANY strides they make will make a huge impact on their economy.)

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Sorry, double posted for some odd reason. Embarrassed

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englishmajor
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 pm Post: 1661968 -
Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

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Lord Ellpus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:51 am Post: 1662083 - Reply with

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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englishmajor
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 pm Post: 1661968 -
Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

Quote:

Lord Ellpus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:51 am Post: 1662083 - Reply with

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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englishmajor
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 pm Post: 1661968 -
Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

Quote:

Lord Ellpus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:51 am Post: 1662083 - Reply with

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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englishmajor
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 pm Post: 1661968 -
Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

Quote:

Lord Ellpus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:51 am Post: 1662083 - Reply with

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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Quote:

englishmajor
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:07 pm Post: 1661968 -
Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

Quote:

Lord Ellpus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:51 am Post: 1662083 - Reply with

2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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englishmajor

Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

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2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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Yes, you go right ahead. America is now 200 BILLION in debt to - hold onto your shorts - China. But don't believe me, look it up. Can you google?

Your silly war in Iraq costs HOW much per week? 2 billion? That would go a long way towards relieving hardships on Americans who barely make enough to feed a family of 4 and have no health care to boot.

You have more prisons than schools in America. What does that tell you?

You have crappy medical care for Americans. I know this because I used to live there. America is all for the rich. The middle class is getting squeezed out. Rather than spend, spend, spend on military, like Rome did and lost anyway, you need to take care of the infrastructure of the US. Better/affordable health care for everyone, not just the wealthy. Better schools. Less prisons. Social Security? Don't think it'll be there when you need it.

America cannot continue to poop on the world without consequences. 9/11 was one of those consequences. Until you, and I mean you in a general sense, learn how to NOT bully the rest of the world terrorism will continue.

Not every country on earth, believe it or not, wants the american way of life; ie McDonalds, WalMart, etc. Some countries value people over products/things.

War is profitable for those in power. It does not solve problems. Bush et al are making a bundle out of this one.

You are already less than a 2nd rate economy since you owe 200 billion to China. Did you know that's the largest debt ever owed by any country? How do you intend paying it? Best learn how to speak Chinese.....

You sound like an Army recruiter - be all you can be. At any cost eh? And share your success with the allies? Ok. Maybe the US would like to 'share' the money owed to Canada concerning softwood tariffs? Had you heard? NAFTA -which is supposedly about free trade - ruled in CANADA's favour. However, the US chose to ignore the ruling........yeah, right, share the success.....don't make me laugh!!

Wow, what a way to go, I love ur spirit gal.

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Lord Ellpus
2)...... "we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"....

Like you strengthened your ties to the democratic allies of Europe??... the majority of whom wanted to hold off from war in Iraq, in an effort to sort out the situation by means of allowing the Inspectors to complete their hunt for WMD? Way to go, GW.

Challenge hostile regimes?......Like Korea, for instance? Or were they prepared to just settle for someone who can't really fight back.

3)..."we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad".........

Whilst detaining foreigners without trial or contact with loved ones, and carrying them on trolleys so that they can be "interrogated".
What a great example GW is setting for the rest of the world.

Economic freedom?.....and just how DOES your farm subsidy affect those producers in South America?

4)....."we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles"

This statement is about the most pompous thing I have read in a long time.
As far as "International order friendly to our society" is concerned, if I didn't know better, I would say that the GWB administration has gone out of its way to make as many foreign enemies (non sympathisers, right through to militant activists) as possible.

Notice the "our, our and our" in the above statement? Just about sums it up, really.

That sums up the whole issue, excellent.

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Dang, how many times exactly did you hit the submit button there Catch22? Smile

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I am really sorry, CR. At my end it kept on showing an error that is why the repeats. Sorry again.

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No problem. Just being funny with you. I just like lightening things up a bit every now and then. I think it's the clown in me. Smile

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PNAC-America's plan to take global control

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