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guilty or guilt?

 
 
Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 09:09 am
"The jury has reached a verdict of guilty. "

Is the sentence above grammatically right? Isn't "guilty" here an adjective? Shouldn't the word "of " be followed by a noun, such as guilt?
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2005 09:42 am
It might be grammatically correct, but it clangs. It just isn't normal usage.

Don't use the expression "verdict of guilty" in this instance. "Verdict of guilt" is no better. Instead, change it to -

The jury has reached a guilty verdict.

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The jury found the defendant guilty.

OR

The defendant was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

OR

The defendant was found guilty of ___ (fill in whatever the charge(s) are here).

A good place to look for information on common courtroom expressions (really!) is old TV shows centered around the law, such as Perry Mason. Of course, you'll get more information and more nuance from legal books, but that's a lot for a student of English to read. Perry Mason (or The Defenders, or LA Law, or Boston Legal, those kinds of shows) is perfectly fine. Smile
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wwlcj1982
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2005 03:25 am
So what you mean is that both " guilt" and "guilty" are ok according to the grammar, but they are seldom used in that way,right? Now I get it.
Thanks for your information. Watching legal TV shows is a great idea. I'll give it a shot. Smile
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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2005 07:50 am
Yeah, they're just kind of awkward. I don't know that I've ever heard a judge say "verdict of guilt" or "verdict of guilty" (I'm a retired lawyer, I've been to a few of these :wink: ), but I don't really see anything grammatically wrong with those usages.

Welcome to Able2know. Smile
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 11:19 pm
I AM guilty, but I feel no guilt.
OR
I am not guilty, but I have feelings of guilt
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syntinen
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2005 03:33 pm
When the judge asks the jury what verdict they have reached, the answer of the foreman of the jury is "Guilty" or "Not guilty". So we speak of a "guilty" or a "not guilty" verdict. The idiom refers to the phrase spoken in court.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 10:10 pm
Why restrict the usage strickly to the court situation?
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syntinen
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2005 04:39 am
Quote:
Why restrict the usage strickly to the court situation?
I don't think it needs to be restricted. You could certainly say, for example "History has pronounced a guilty verdict on Stalin". But if you do, you are using a legal metaphor derived from the court process.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2005 10:27 am
O.K., I can see that--I think. I wonder, however, if people said of others that they were "guilty" of certain acts even in societies lacking formal court systems.
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