Atheists... Your life is pointless

Did you read the article ci ? It addresses that point very directly.

He can't read Becks. He just makes silly interjections of the sort you have just seen.

It's as if he thinks that an unmanipulated child is both desireable and possible and you can't get stupider than that. He thinks of the word "manipulated" as if it is a big hairy monster coming to get him in the night out of a fear of the thought that he himself was manipulated which he sees as debasing. He actually thinks he has arrived at the notions he holds to out of his own resources as a feral intelligence.

And the holiday companies propaganda has him jumping about like a jack-in-a-box on catnip blowing the money he ought to be leaving to his kids to help them in the world which he so casually brought them into at a time when nuclear war was openly discussed as a real danger to such an extent that schoolchildren were instructed to practice diving under their desks if the 4 minute warning went off.

And he has no idea what the Gestalt theory is all about. He thinks that pyschological structures can be broken down into simple atomic concepts which he can understand and deal with one at a time without reference to the whole.

spendi wrote:

Your interpretation is way off the mark; he didn't say anything about "...an unmanipulated child is both desirable and possible ...," that's what YOU said.

Quit trying to credit quotes to other people you yourself dream up. Your idiotic transference only shows how ignorant you are.

You may get away with that kind of thing at your local bar, but it won't fly here.

What do you propose then? That the kids be manipulated in a way you consider "right".

>>I was just wondering out loud how if there is no God, than why don't we live >>more like the animals we are? Why the morals?

It seems we all benefit by being an organized society, rather than "survival of the fittest". It's also important to remember that "survival of the fittest" principals still exist in this construct. It's just that we all benefit to some degree in a structured order, moreso than we would otherwise.

Actually, it's very rare that animals kill as a result of territorial or breeding rights disputes. When it does happen, it is usually because of a wound that festers over time.

>>So you have proof that there is no afterlife???<<

Where did phoenix make such a claim of proof?

>> Maybe you have a fear of not really dying when your physical body perishes. I love how you guys lecture me like you're so enlightened. It must be nice to have all the answers.<<

Phoenix's response seems cogent and to the point. Why do you see this as a claim to enlightenment?

If there is no God and this world is truly just a cosmic fluke, than your life and everything that happens in it are of no consequence whatsoever

Please explain why just because life is a fluke it is pointless

Why not just do whatever you want and not care about others

Please explain why just because were a fluke we will do whatever you want and not care about others

After all, survival of the fittest is the name of the game right

What has this got to do with anything?

as for the rest of your argument you make opinions without backing them up with anything this is why faith is dangerous this is very difficult to understand your reasoning

then why believe in god if you know that morality exists in all of us

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love is not against nature you backup by mentioning survival of the fitess without explianing what you mean by it its as if invoking the titlt without backing up the statement an arguement this is what religiuos ppeople do

Why do so many atheists come out of the woodwork to confront anybody that questions them?
by stateing that you have no idea how how christains act
athiests have be oppressed by religion and find it amusing that your pushing your own faults onto us

Let me ask you this question why do you dislike so many atheists on the spirituality forum if you don’t want to be questioned again your projecting your prejudice onto atheists

That most humans require some kind of religion and a higher power to make life meaningful is even more worthless. To begin with, no human can prove there is any higher power; and secondly, religion has wrought more violence and inhumanity to man than anything else. We make life what we make of it; no more, no less. To give up on the richness on life because you must believe in some higher power is fruitless and meaningless. Praying to a higher power in this earthly environment where natural disasters and the country in which one is born dictates most of our lives - not any god. The good and the bad - whether religious or not - suffer the same misfortunes and good fortunes of life; it's never dictated by a super power.



Life isn't pointless unless you make it pointless. Most people do whatever they want - and many do not care about others.



I'm not sure about what you mean by "survival of the fittest." Our environment and genes has much to do with survival; many third world country's life expectancy is still in their forties. It has to do with their environment - probably lack of good nutrition and health care.

The "anything" is what we make of it most of the time. Some kids commit suicide even in developed countries, because they give up hope before really understanding what life is about. Some suffer from depression without treatment, or their parents are abusive.

Most of us go through difficult periods in our life; it's a matter of being able to cope, and working towards some goal that one wishes to accomplish while we live on this planet. We can put meaning into our lives or give up.

You sarcastically think he is argument but it is you who is argument who claims to know the mind of a supreme being

IF life is pointless for anyone, it is more likely to be pointless for those who believe that this life and its "worldly" contents are of no consequence--i.e., pointless--and that only the imagined AFTERLIFE is of consequence.

BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT!.

SAID so marvellously . I can now continue with my pointless existence and not feel guilty.

I agree with farmerman; people just can't seem to balance this "real" life vs their life's pursuit of going to heaven.

I wish I could take credit for this perspective, but it is Nietzsche's. And it IS brilliant, I agree.

I wish I could take credit for this perspective, but it is Nietzsche's. And it IS brilliant, I agree.

great point, but I have a question; why is it, JLnobody, that you almost always post your comments twice?