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@reasoning logic,

I'm not normally in the business of defending Frank's views.
They do have at least a little merit.
I will believe it has some merit until proven otherwise Wink

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@MattDavis,

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I'm not normally in the business of defending Frank's views.
They do have at least a little merit.
I will believe it has some merit until proven otherwise

I think Frank is very smart and very logical I just disagree with his thoughts on anything being possible.
Do not get me wrong because I do think that I would be amazed at some of the things that are possible even though I may think that they are not but I have a suspicion that not all things are possible like invisible elves and so forth but who knows maybe he is right and they are possible.

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@reasoning logic,

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That word seems reasonable but does not deal with matters such as how Frank thinks it could be possible for there to be invisible elves because we can not disprove them.

I have not said that, RL. You are twisting what I have said to suit your purposes.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have not said that, RL. You are twisting what I have said to suit your purposes.

I am sorry Frank if I miss worded. Do you not believe that there is a possibility that a God, unicorns or invisible elves could exist somewhere?

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@reasoning logic,

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I have not said that, RL. You are twisting what I have said to suit your purposes.

I am sorry Frank if I miss worded. Do you not believe that there is a possibility that a God, unicorns or invisible elves could exist somewhere?

RL...we have been through this dozens of times.

I am interested in discussions that deal with REALITY...and possible explanations for existence. One of the (in my opinion, reasonable) explanations involves the question of whether or not gods exist.

I am willing to discuss that.

You, for some reason what to discuss elves and unicorns. Elves and unicorns are not offered as possible explanations for existence...so I am not particularly interested in discussing them.

But since children and debating Internet atheists seem as interested in discussing them as you...why not seek them out and have that discussion?

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@Frank Apisa,

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I am interested in discussions that deal with REALITY...and possible explanations for existence. One of the (in my opinion, reasonable) explanations involves the question of whether or not gods exist.

I am willing to discuss that. Unquote.

When was the word "God" a reality and the word "Elves and unicorns" not.
Both are a description of mythological creatures - spirits or whatever.

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@John Creasy,

My "God" how petty are we all?
Is it really so much to ask to have reasonable discourse?
My impression thus far, is that this discussion is dominated by atheists and agnostics, who primarily lack regard for civil discourse and simple human decency. (I would consider my self among this group.)
Why do we find it so hard to discuss such topics without digressing into personal attacks against each other?
What kind of evidence does this provide in corroborating the claim that:
Athiesm/Agnosticism=amorality
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What evidence can we provide to dispute it?

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@Frank Apisa,

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You, for some reason what to discuss elves and unicorns. Elves and unicorns are not offered as possible explanations for existence...so I am not particularly interested in discussing them.

I could offer them as possible explanations for our existence but I would not want people to take me serious and actually spend much time thinking about it as if it could possibly be the reason for our existences.

I do apologies if I seem to come across wrong but I just find it unusual "the things that you think may be possible, I still find you to be very smart and I respect your opinions and who knows maybe you are correct.

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@tenderfoot,

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I am interested in discussions that deal with REALITY...and possible explanations for existence. One of the (in my opinion, reasonable) explanations involves the question of whether or not gods exist.

I am willing to discuss that. Unquote.

When was the word "God" a reality and the word "Elves and unicorns" not.
Both are a description of mythological creatures - spirits or whatever.

Well, I fail to see how "elves and unicorns" are part of any explanation for existence, but you apparently do.

In any case, you claim that they, and gods, are mythical creatures.

Is that something you know...or is that something you are guessing?

And if you know it, how do you know it?

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@Frank Apisa,

How do you know that elves and unicorns are not a part of reality? Hoist on your own petard, as usual, although you either never see it or are unwilling to admit it. That "explanation for existence" is just a dodge you're using to attempt to weasel out of your own contradictions.

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@reasoning logic,

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Is there a name for someone who believes anything could be possible, like Gods, unicorns, elves, fairies and so forth?

I don't think it would be unreasonable to describe you as a unicorniphilliac.

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@reasoning logic,

First of all, RL, thank you for the tone of your comments to me. I want you to know that I return the respect and considerations about your intelligence in full measure.

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You, for some reason what to discuss elves and unicorns. Elves and unicorns are not offered as possible explanations for existence...so I am not particularly interested in discussing them.

I could offer them as possible explanations for our existence but I would not want people to take me serious and actually spend much time thinking about it as if it could possibly be the reason for our existences.

Well, I doubt that would happen, RL...but you could always give it a try.

I think you are an intelligent individual...and my guess is that the only reason you ever introduce "elves and unicorns" into discussions with me...is because you want to make my position about whether or not gods can logically be dismissed as a component of existence seem absurd, unintelligent, illogical, or useless.

Early on, I actually gave you responses...but you dismissed my answers. You continued to question me as though the responses I gave were being ignored or were not important...and I have come to the conclusion that you will continue to be dismissive. So I have given up on any substantive responses other than to direct you elsewhere for discussions of those creatures.

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I do apologies if I seem to come across wrong but I just find it unusual "the things that you think may be possible, I still find you to be very smart and I respect your opinions and who knows maybe you are correct.

Well, since I mostly am saying that I simply do not know...I suspect I AM correct. Not sure why you find that "unusual", but if you want to question me further about gods...please do so. I'll try to make my position more clear.

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@Setanta,

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How do you know that elves and unicorns are not a part of reality?

They are not part of possible EXPLANATIONS of REALITY or existence.

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Hoist on your own petard, as usual, although you either never see it or are unwilling to admit it. That "explanation for existence" is just a dodge you're using to attempt to weasel out of your own contradictions.

If that is what you feel, you are certainly welcome to feel it.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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How do you know that elves and unicorns are not a part of reality?

They are not part of possible EXPLANATIONS of REALITY or existence.

How do you know that?

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@reasoning logic,

It takes one to know one rl.

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@izzythepush,

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I don't think it would be unreasonable to describe you as a unicorniphilliac.

@RL

No insult intended, but it was a funny statement

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@Setanta,

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Frank Apisa wrote:
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How do you know that elves and unicorns are not a part of reality?

They are not part of possible EXPLANATIONS of REALITY or existence.

How do you know that?

I don't, Setanta. So I will withdraw the sentence and substitute:

They have not, to the best of my knowledge, been offered as possible EXPLANATIONS of REALITY or existence.

If someone who can discuss this with me in a reasonable, courteous way wants to propose them as explanations of REALITY or existence...I certainly will respond.

NOTE TO RL: The door is open.

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@Frank Apisa,

So you're alleging that i was unreasonable or discourteous to have asked that question? That's nonsense. You just don't like being pressed on this issue. Not only i, but many, many others here have pointed out this flaw in your position. How is some anthropomorphic sky daddy an "explanation of reality or existence?" Why do you allege that a "god" is any more plausible than fairies, pixies or elves? I suggest that you're attempting to allege that i've been unreasonable or discourteous because you can't deal with this issue, so you are attempting to set up conditions for avoiding it.

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@Setanta,

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So you're alleging that i was unreasonable or discourteous to have asked that question? That's nonsense. You just don't like being pressed on this issue. Not only i, but many, many others here have pointed out this flaw in your position. How is some anthropomorphic sky daddy an "explanation of reality or existence?" Why do you allege that a "god" is any more plausible than fairies, pixies or elves? I suggest that you're attempting to allege that i've been unreasonable or discourteous because you can't deal with this issue, so you are attempting to set up conditions for avoiding it.

I must acknowledge that I do find you extremely discourteous and unreasonable and it seems to me that you fly off on a rage at the slightest provocation. You also tend to be gratuitously insulting in most of your posts, Setanta.

But I am delighted you are finally engaged here...even though my initial attempts to get you involved met with failure.

So let's get started.

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How is some anthropomorphic sky daddy an "explanation of reality or existence?"

I said "possible" explanation. Quote what I actually said...and tell me why you disagree. If you think an eternal god "creating" a universe is an impossibility...tell me why you think that. We can discuss it reasonably and courteously.

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Why do you allege that a "god" is any more plausible than fairies, pixies or elves?

Where have I done that? Quote what I said in that regard...and tell me why you disagree. We can discuss it reasonably and courteously.

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@Frank Apisa,

Edit: Deleted in a rare moment of good sense.

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