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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
MattDavis
 
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Thu 14 Feb, 2013 04:15 pm
@reasoning logic,
Thank you for the compliment! Very Happy
I do try very hard to make my reasoning clear in communication.
I am a strong believer (pun intended) of the adage
"You don't really have a grasp on something until you can explain it to someone else."
Not that I am claiming any absolute grasp on the theism question.
Wink
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 14 Feb, 2013 05:58 pm
@MattDavis,
Quote:
I do try very hard to make my reasoning clear in communication.
I am a strong believer (pun intended) of the adage
"You don't really have a grasp on something until you can explain it to someone else."


Yes I think Einstein would agree but who has a grandmother like Einstein's?


Einstein's quote
You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother.
tenderfoot
 
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Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:35 pm
@izzythepush,
That statement shows that you must read a load of the bible, as that's no 1 in the load of old Bollocks.... Also proves that your'e a no 1 in Dawkins scale.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 01:24 pm
@tenderfoot,
So if someone doesn't agree with you they must be a Bible thumper? That's the same trick used by snake oil salesmen and cult leaders over the years.

The only people who believe Shariah law is going to be imposed in the UK are the hysterical bigots that read The Daily Mail.

If you're going to believe that old bollocks you'll believe anything. Atheism appeals to reason, if, like you, you're an Atheist and a moron, it's best to keep your mouth shut. Let people who aren't morons, like Matt, do the arguing for you.

Nooneleft
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:11 pm
@Amigo,
Amigo wrote:

"Your life is pointless". What a nice thing to say on a sunday morning to a bunch of people you never met. Enjoy your nice hot cup of judgement, damnation and self-righteousness. I hope it makes you feel nice & warm inside. If thats what you need I guess thats what you need. Its your drug of choice Greasy.
WHAT has sunday got to do with anything?? IF people are secure in their inner comfort and confident within their selves then there is NO NEED for a god of any kind nor a religion!! Have faith in yourselves and you'll be fine. Wink
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Lola
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:54 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Let people who aren't morons, like Matt, do the arguing for you.


Isn't it the truth? With Matt around, who needs to say anything. Just read. Not that I'm complaining.
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MattDavis
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:58 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoninglogic wrote:
Yes I think Einstein would agree but who has a grandmother like Einstein's?
Einstein's quote:
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. "

I don't know, presumably not me.
My grandmother used to describe my talking about such things as "mental masturbation." Rolling Eyes
I miss her. Sad
reasoning logic
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 09:07 pm
@MattDavis,
Quote:
My grandmother used to describe my talking about such things as "mental masturbation." Rolling Eyes


Well I have to give her credit for her honesty as she seen that you got off on it regardless if it was sexual. You do admit it to being climatic in some sense don't you?
MattDavis
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 09:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
I admit it would be less anti-climatic if there were any theists left participating in the discussion.
I feel alone among non-believers. Sad
I hope Spade rejoins soon, I really appreciate his willingness to engage in reasoned debate.
MattDavis
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 09:20 pm
@reasoning logic,
Reasoning Logic wrote:
Well I have to give her credit for her honesty...
She deserves that credit. Always brutally honest, especially in defense of injustice. Very Happy
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 10:40 pm
@MattDavis,
I am sorry mate...and thanks for the compliment! We are doing a move, and there is a problem with my internet...
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tenderfoot
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2013 10:56 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

So if someone doesn't agree with you they must be a Bible thumper? That's the same trick used by snake oil salesmen and cult leaders over the years.

The only people who believe Shariah law is going to be imposed in the UK are the hysterical bigots that read The Daily Mail.

If you're going to believe that old bollocks you'll believe anything. Atheism appeals to reason, if, like you, you're an Atheist and a moron, it's best to keep your mouth shut. Let people who aren't morons, like Matt, do the arguing for you.


I didn't ask you agree with me -- Takes a snake oil salesperson to know one - as you say your the expert on old bible bollocks .. Also proves that your'e a no 1 in Dawkins scale.. and you don't deny this... seems you outdo me for Morons-manship
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 12:10 am
@MattDavis,
Quote:
I think both positions require some beliefs or assumptions. The clause "as much as theism" makes me unable answer in the affirmative to your question. I think that theism requires more assumptions than atheism does. Additionally theistic assumptions include things that could reasonably be observed if they were true. As an analogy if 2 people differ as to whether or not unicorns exist. In order for the non-believer to validate her claim, she would have to look through the entire universe to ensure that there are no unicorns anywhere. The believer merely has to point to any unicorn to validate her claim.

What kinds of beliefs and assumptions do you think that atheism actually has? Do you think that atheistic beliefs have to prove every assumption wrong, in order to validate its beliefs is an easier way than having more assumptions, but only requiring one example to prove it is true?
Setanta
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 03:46 am
Matt Davis is making no distinction between the two major groups of atheists. Explicit atheists, who are often the militant types, would have a burden of proving no god. Implicit atheists, who are the most common in my personal experience, are just saying "I don't believe that." They have nothing to prove--after all i'm the best and the only reliable source on what i do or don't believe. To use the unicorn analogy--if i say there are no unicorns, yes, i assume a burden of proof. I i say i don't believe there are unicorns, my work is done.
MattDavis
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 03:54 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Spade wrote:
What kinds of beliefs and assumptions do you think that atheism actually has?

I think that all such positions as [theism,atheism, and even agnosticism] require assumptions. My understanding is that we were trying to see what the various assumptions for such positions are, ie at http://able2know.org/topic/62055-277#post-5253072.
I don't want to skip over anything regarding assumptions.

Spade wrote:
Do you think that atheistic beliefs have to prove every assumption wrong, in order to validate its beliefs is an easier way than having more assumptions, but only requiring one example to prove it is true?

I don't know which is "easier". I am more interested in knowing right now what those assumptions are for each position.
I think the whole "burden of proof" or "Occam's razor" contention could also be considered an assumption (though it is strongly evidenced by statistical evidence of what we see in the world).

In the interest of intellectual honesty, I don't want to gloss over anything by pulling out some "burden of proof" argument against the theistic position. I think that there are some strong insights to be gained by exploring the previous line at http://able2know.org/topic/62055-277#post-5253072 that are pertinent not just to thinking about if there is or isn't a God, but perhaps also to the nature of existence or the nature of God's creation depending on how you look at it.
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FBM
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 04:13 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Matt Davis is making no distinction between the two major groups of atheists. Explicit atheists, who are often the militant types, would have a burden of proving no god. Implicit atheists, who are the most common in my personal experience, are just saying "I don't believe that." They have nothing to prove--after all i'm the best and the only reliable source on what i do or don't believe. To use the unicorn analogy--if i say there are no unicorns, yes, i assume a burden of proof. I i say i don't believe there are unicorns, my work is done.


Yep. That's the way I see it, too. And if someone comes up to me and says there are unicorns, well...
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MattDavis
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 04:25 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Matt Davis is making no distinction between the two major groups of atheists.

one page back
http://able2know.org/topic/62055-277#post-5253072
Setanta
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 04:28 am
@MattDavis,
That post has nothing to say about the distinction between the two major groups of atheists.
MattDavis
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 04:40 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

That post has nothing to say about the distinction between the two major groups of atheists.

Jeesh... go pick a fight with someone else. Rolling Eyes
Setanta
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2013 04:44 am
@MattDavis,
So, if someone points out that your argument is flawed, you consider that picking a fight? Why do you think people come here? I've been reliably informed that one of the main reasons is to debate. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
 

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