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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 03:32 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5103831)
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I do not know if there are any gods.


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Are you just as uncertain about Gods that are capable of creating everything as you are about invisible elves having ear sex with your ears and if not would you please explain why?


Wow, I gotta give you A+ for persistence. But my answer is...no.
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 03:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Wow, I gotta give you A+ for persistence. But my answer is...no.


Thank you for your reply "your answer is...no." that is exactly what I was wanting to know. Thank you for getting to the point. Do you care to explain why?
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 03:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
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@Frank Apisa,
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Wow, I gotta give you A+ for persistence. But my answer is...no.


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Thank you for your reply "your answer is...no." that is exactly what I was wanting to know. Thank you for getting to the point. Do you care to explain why?


Cute, RL...but no cigar.

If you read my earlier post, I think you know that my "no" was my way of saying that I was not going to respond to the question.
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 04:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Cute, RL...but no cigar.

If you read my earlier post, I think you know that my "no" was my way of saying that I was not going to respond to the question.


It is OK Frank I did not count on you being responsible nor intellectually honest about anything we have discussed.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 04:07 pm
@reasoning logic,
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It is OK Frank I did not count on you being responsible nor intellectually honest about anything we have discussed.


Sorry you feel that way, RL. I admire you anyway.
farmerman
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 05:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
hes "video man"
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 05:40 pm
@farmerman,
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hes "video man"
farmerman I thought that you never noticed Laughing





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izzythepush
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 05:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I find credibility in your reply and I think you are correct but is there any logic that you can think of that would would lead you to think that a God concept is any more valid than a fairy concept?


I've met people in Glastonbury who believe very passionately in the existance of fairies, although, I suspect, their concept of fairy is very different from yours.
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 06:13 pm
@izzythepush,
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I've met people in Glastonbury who believe very passionately in the existance of fairies, although, I suspect, their concept of fairy is very different from yours.


Thank you for sharing, I never knew until you shared and I researched. Wink
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FBM
 
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Tue 11 Sep, 2012 09:52 pm
Have we skipped Step One? Has anyone actually defined what a god is? One that fits all proposed gods, I mean. One that we can all agree on. If not, we're putting the cart before the horse, I think. How do we know we're talking about the same thing if we don't first reach a consensus on its definition?
fresco
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 12:13 am
@FBM,
You don't need to define "God" if you read the thread title. The implication is that "God gives THE point or THE purpose to life", hence the implication that the atheist's life is "pointless". I have pointed out why desiring a "point" is a consequence of human cognition which abhors the idea of "the void". So the definition of "God" is implicit in the thread title, and it is interesting that seeking a definition is a secondary example of the goal directed cognition which invented gods in the first place !
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Setanta
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 12:42 am
I doubt that it is so much a case of human cognition abhorring a void--individual humans can quite comfortably contemplate an existence in which there is no more piont than their individual experience of that existence. That could be from mere hebetude, of the complacency of individual success and security. Culture, however, abhors chaos. Cultures are goal-oriented, because cultures are devised to further the goals of groups: to hunt more successfully, to protect the group and particularly its young, to dominate over or eliminate competitors. Justifications from religion or any other ideology are rationales after the fact.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 12:46 am
@FBM,
The reason there is no need to define god is based on the simple fact that over 80% of the human population believe that their god exists.
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fresco
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 12:50 am
@Setanta,
I agree insofar that there is an argument that "concepts of self" are cultural acquired through shared language and behaviour, and cognition functions via language. Religion certainly has cultural functionality as I have stated somewhere above.
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FBM
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:38 am
I disagree that we don't need to define what people mean by 'god.' There are lots of different proposed dieties, and they have very widely differing characteristics. The gods referred to in Pali Buddhist literature are neither eternal nor omnipotent nor omniscient, and there is no Creator deity in Buddhist cosmology.

Definitions matter. Otherwise, we are most likely discussing significantly different things while thinking we're arguing about the same thing. I'm willing to bet that if you got a room full of theists together and asked them about the qualities that their particular deity possesses, you'd get a wide range of answers that were significantly different, even though the theists claim to be describing the same deity. It's not safe to assume that they're all talking about the same thing.
spendius
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 03:56 am
@Setanta,
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Culture, however, abhors chaos. Cultures are goal-oriented, because cultures are devised to further the goals of groups: to hunt more successfully, to protect the group and particularly its young, to dominate over or eliminate competitors. Justifications from religion or any other ideology are rationales after the fact.


Hence it is an error of logic to blame religion for anything. Whatever ills occur are due to a collective drive to further the goals of groups, to hunt more successfully, to protect the group and particularly its young and to dominate over or eliminate competitors. Criticism of religion is therefore criticism of that drive. As the drive is evolutionary criticism of religion is anti-evolution.

Criticism of religion is logical if the beliefs of the religion fail to further those goals and such criticism is difficult to level against the Christian religion because it has fulfilled those goals more successfully than any other culture ever did.

Criticism of religion is also valid if it offers an alternative to the religious leaders which will fulfil those goals more effectively, as Communism argues, and justifies its alternative with plausible and practical programmes of action.

Criticism of religion because some of its officials are corrupt, or evil, or that its professed beliefs are unprovable scientifically, are nothing but noises off from people whose ego thrusting has convinced them that they are better theologians than the religious elite. Such criticism is thus subversive, anti-culture and unscientific and might justifiably be persecuted or even demand persecution if those goals are put at risk.
spendius
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 04:00 am
@FBM,
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if you got a room full of theists together


Which room? Which theists?
fresco
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 05:35 am
@spendius,
Stick to the point. This thread proposes the "purposelessness of atheists". Theism generally implies "divine authority" plus "an afterlife" as a carrot for playing "the game". That game, nebulous as it may be, tends to constitute "purpose" for theists. Obviously secular totalitarian regimes can fulfill aspects of the first function, but unless we cite "Valhalla" and quasi-religious Nazis, the second function is not fulfilled.
spendius
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 06:25 am
@fresco,
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In the multitude of wisdom is much grief, and he that increaseth wisdom, increaseth sorrow.


Ecclesiasteses 1: 18.
FBM
 
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Wed 12 Sep, 2012 07:02 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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if you got a room full of theists together


Which room? Which theists?


Yes. All of them.
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