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When Muslims flew airplanes into the Twin Towers, many were up in arms about racial profiling. Any comment perceived as negative to a particular race is considered racist. Any comment perceived as negative to a gender is considered sexist. If one does not agree with homosexuality, the label becomes homophobic.

My question is this. Why then, is it ok to attack the believers in God and Christ for their faith? When I say attack, I am speaking of the words I have seen used on these threads such as Christian beliefs (or they themselves) are idiotic, ridiculous, moronic, we are brainwashed, delusional, etc.

Can someone please tell me the difference in these situations? Why is it not okay to label some things and okay to label others? Where do you make the distinction?

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For people outside the mainstream, things can be pretty rough. Gays have been beaten to death, arab-amaericans have been threatened, stores have been burned down. It's in a sense of social responsibility that I, personally, shush people who are being inflamatory against people who are threatened. When was the last time that a christian was threatened with their life or beaten to death in this country - just for being a christian?

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Where do you get these ideas, Momma Angel?

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Where do you get these ideas, Momma Angel?

Gus,

Actually, I get these ideas from different posters in these threads.

I am not talking about killings or beating up anyone here. I am talking about plain language. Why isn't it called religious discrimination? I am really curious about why there seems to be some line somewhere that makes this seemingly more acceptable.

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Momma, I explained the line as I see it.

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littlek wrote:

Momma, I explained the line as I see it.

Littlek,

I understand that is your distinction Littlek. And I do appreciate you telling me. I really am just very curious about this issue. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Momma-No one here is doing anything but exercising their rights to provide opinions regarding their beliefs. If my beliefs counter yours,we get into what we all call a disagreement. We argue, we debate. If I call your beliefs into question thats the way this forum works.
Now, as for the specific, you are a firm believer in Creationism. I am a worker in a field that develops and uses data that is Evolution centered. We disagree at the start. I find your position to be based upon ignorance of science and you probably think Im a heretic.

Right now, a group of "latest phase Creationists" is attempting, in the name of a limited view of Christian doctrine, to set back the teahing of science in secondary schools based upon that groups religious belief.
I take no pleasure in skewering anyone who makes it appear that there is wide consensus on your worldview , in support of Intelligent Design as a valid "Doctrinally neutral" basis for conducting science classes.We disagree heatedly

Im sorry that you take offense but, Im not the one who is trying to press my beliefs into a core curriculum of a school, and , on these boards its nigh on impossible to distinguish who is representing Discovery Institute, or ARN.
DOnt feel bad, as they told Tessio.
"Nothin personal, its just business"

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while people have the right to exercise their opinions on this forum and they do,
there will always be some people who will just 'vent' their frustrations out on others which gives them some form of satisfaction, intelligent others will reason their 'objective' ideas across, while some contribute in a debating manner.
Then there are those unfortunates who just cant help antagonising others just for the mere fun of it. :wink:

..where as 'physically' attacking people IMO is a form of 'mental' weakness, in many forms.. Sad

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Farmerman,

A heretic? No. The differing views are fine. I can see all sides.

Hey Kiwichic!

I like your description. Just trying to get a handle on all kinds of things on all kinds of people! Good to see you girl!

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fair enough MA .... Very Happy

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There is no group (race or religion) above ridicule and scrutiny. Blacks are profiled as criminals. Whites are profiled at "uppity" and rich. Arabs are profiled as terrorists. Chinese are profiled as brainy and geeky. Native Americans are profiled as "indians" and money mongers (the casinos). Gays are profiled at sinners and corrupters. Mentally handicapped people are profiled as stupid. Fat people are profiled as lazy. Very thin people are profiled as anorexic. The list goes on and on....Why should Christians be any different? They are no better than anyone else. So why would you think they'd be exempt?

All people everywhere are labeled something by someone. Are these profiles always right? Abosulutly not. Are they out there? Yes.

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Bella Dea wrote:

There is no group (race or religion) above ridicule and scrutiny. Blacks are profiled as criminals. Whites are profiled at "uppity" and rich. Arabs are profiled as terrorists. Chinese are profiled as brainy and geeky. Native Americans are profiled as "indians" and money mongers (the casinos). Gays are profiled at sinners and corrupters. Mentally handicapped people are profiled as stupid. Fat people are profiled as lazy. Very thin people are profiled as anorexic. The list goes on and on....Why should Christians be any different? They are no better than anyone else. So why would you think they'd be exempt?

Bella Dea,

You misunderstand me. I am not saying we should be exempt. I don't think that any of these labels are acceptable. I don't understand the need to label anyone in these ways, do you?

Maybe my question should just be why would anyone feel it is okay to do this to anyone?

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momma angel, you seem to be a nice woman, but you also seem to want to live in a pillow.

I don't want to tune in to various threads as I see people getting bounces back, a kind of robot pillowness. For me it isn't very interesting. For others, perhaps a comfort. But - repetitive blanketings of be me and be nice, however well intentioned, aren't doing more than murmurings of niceness.

I don't want to undermine your niceness, but it isn't convincing to me - not that you aren't nice, you are, but how that can change decisions that effect lives in various local situations. Look to graft and corruption, look to shoring up your local economy, look to getting people working. Don't talk to me about sweetness re religion.

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Yeah, basically people aren't always nice. Sometimes people are dead wrong. Sometimes people say hateful things.
Another thing to consider is that Christians have had the 'floor' for a long time. It is normal and healthy to see a backlash. Other groups are ready to take their turn at center stage. Flux n' flow.

Overall though; I have to say that this is one of my favorite forums I have ever found on the internet. I has a wonderful diversity of opinion and people. I really enjoy that. And the level of respect is very good. Many other forums are overrun with flaming and petty pot shots to the point of not being able to speak about anything.

Take care Mamma !!

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ossobuco wrote:

momma angel, you seem to be a nice woman, but you also seem to want to live in a pillow.

I don't want to tune in to various threads as I see people getting bounces back, a kind of robot pillowness. For me it isn't very interesting. For others, perhaps a comfort. But - repetitive blanketings of be me and be nice, however well intentioned, aren't doing more than murmurings of niceness.

I don't want to undermine your niceness, but it isn't convincing to me - not that you aren't nice, you are, but how that can change decisions that effect lives in various local situations. Look to graft and corruption, look to shoring up your local economy, look to getting people working. Don't talk to me about sweetness re religion.

Osso,

I am not talking about sweetness just regarding religion. I was brought up to respect people, to say yes sir and yes ma'am, to respect my elders, to not use foul language, to not criticize others just because they may be different or have differing viewpoints. Now, I have gotten into a few squabbles myself on these threads and I hate that I did. I just feel that the nastiness is what gets us off topic most of the time.

I am just trying to understand why some feel the need to do this and others do not.

It really doesn't have anything to do with just being nice. To me, it's a matter of everyone deserves the same respect. It's perfectly okay to not accept for yourself what someone else believes, but the fact that it is obviously important to them is why they deserve respect.

It's not easy sometimes for people to say what they really think and feel because they can open themselves up to criticism. I just think it's everyone's responsibility to try to be courteous to others. But, like I said, I was brought up that way.

Hi flushd! How are you?

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As to what flushd said: other groups are ready to take their turn somewhere on the stage. Anywhere in the spot light.

Momma, do you come to the defense of gays being bashed by acquaintences? Do you point out to fellow parishoners that perhaps they shouldn't judge the woman, pushing her child's stroller down the street, just because she is wearing a headscarf? Because someone needs to.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Bella Dea wrote:
There is no group (race or religion) above ridicule and scrutiny. Blacks are profiled as criminals. Whites are profiled at "uppity" and rich. Arabs are profiled as terrorists. Chinese are profiled as brainy and geeky. Native Americans are profiled as "indians" and money mongers (the casinos). Gays are profiled at sinners and corrupters. Mentally handicapped people are profiled as stupid. Fat people are profiled as lazy. Very thin people are profiled as anorexic. The list goes on and on....Why should Christians be any different? They are no better than anyone else. So why would you think they'd be exempt?

Bella Dea,

You misunderstand me. I am not saying we should be exempt. I don't think that any of these labels are acceptable. I don't understand the need to label anyone in these ways, do you?

Maybe my question should just be why would anyone feel it is okay to do this to anyone?

Momma,
I understand what you are saying in your opening post. However, I think you have now seen by your current post that it should not be a post based on religion, but rather in general. You have suffered under name calling by specific posters, mostly in religious threads where you post as a Christian. These same types of "attacks" can take place in any forum...and they do.

I do, however, disagree with Bella's statement that, "There is no group (race or religion) above ridicule and scrutiny". I believe that all groups should be above this. Those that Bella mentioned and more. Perhaps she meant that none have been excempt, which is different than being above.

In the anonymity of a public forum, people probably say things that they probably would not say face to face. It is somewhat like aggressive drivers being safe in their car and they act differently than they would while walking in the street.

All in all, there are very few that make a point of being offensive. It is the few that you are really referring to, I am sure.

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Intrepid,

You are right. I guess I shouldn't have put that as Christians. I just should have left it as to why some feel it is ok to do this kind of behavior at all.

I am glad that you pointed that out to me. And you are right, there are fewer that do it than there are that don't.

So, I guess to rephrase the question it would be why do some feel they have to make a point of being offensive to anyone for anything?

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Well, momma, the news is (and it was news - slightly - to me too, that people who bat around some really challenging and up yours type language can end up with respect here, because of the content of their argumentation, not because of pleasant language.

I frankly wish you'd stop opening threads about respectful language and just engage in the discussions. The language thing is a tangent.

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Osso,

Why is bad behavior just excused or ignored? If you had children (I don't know if you do or not) would you want them talking to others in that manner?

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