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Mother in Law chapter II

 
 
BorisKitten
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 09:53 am
Well, I'm going to toss out some ideas, just for some options.... Dearest Shewolf, feel free to NOT take any of these options, they're just things that have crossed my mind.

Shewolf, sweetie, according to the laws in Florida, you, Bean, and Ian are victims of Domestic Violence. She doesn't have to hit anyone to be abusive, and in my mind she's crossed the line to abusive.

This means (I'm not sure about Texas) the 3 of you are eligible for many assistance programs which wouldn't otherwise be available.

You can actually go live in a Domestic Violence shelter, the 3 of you, at no cost, if you feel that's the right choice. The shelter might be able to help you get other assistance, like maybe reasonably-priced housing, and certainly counseling.

Shelters do not do background checks. The only person I knew of who was not admitted to our shelter was currently wanted on 2 arrest warrants, and these were only discovered because it was the police themselves who tried to bring her in.


You can call the police during one of her abusive episodes. Screaming drunks are usually taken seriously by the police, given their potential for violence, and she would probably be arrested.

If she were arrested, it might help her to actually deal with her problem and get the help she needs. Sometimes an alcoholic has a big turnaround when they hit bottom, and arrest might work for her. It would also help her get in touch with many organizations which could help her. The police usually have a long list of such organizations available.

This might save her life. As she is, she is killing herself quickly, not to mention driving you crazy.

Since she is clearly not in the least bit rational, you might consider leaving (calling the police, etc.) for your own and Bean's safety.


A gentler option would be to call AA and ask them to send a sponsor to your house. I don't know if they still do this, and the sponsor may ask for a police escort if she is abusive, which might be for the better.


I would strongly suggest getting yourself, at least, to AlAnon meetings ASAP. If I were you, I'd go as often as possible, definitely more than once a week. They too can really help a lot. And remember, this group is just for people like you who are forced to live with alcoholics, not for alcoholics themselves.


I would also sit down, no matter what else you may decide, and figure out exactly how long it will take to get the money together to move, depending on what actions you take.

You may have objects lying about which you can sell on eBay to speed things up. It's easy to sell on eBay, really, and the extra cash arrives almost instantaneously.

You can try what I did for quite a while... shop at thrift stores, find nice clothing for plus-sized women, and auction it off on eBay. This is a lot easier to do with a digital camera. You can also find stuff at thrift stores, with a little research, like books and doo-dads which auctions well.

In my 5 years of doing this, I found 2 Coach handbags which I bought for 50 cents and auctioned for $150. I also found an old Herbal (Culpepper's), actually free when a local thrift store was closing, and it went for $150.

eBay doesn't do a background check of its sellers.


If you do a bit of math, find out exactly how much you'll need to move to the cheapest place possible, you'll have a definite goal in mind, and just have to hang on until you reach that goal.

And speaking of "the cheapest place," I would think a person who had a room for rent might work for you in the short-term. Not only do these people usually not do background checks, I think if they did, and you explained what your record was about, they would let you move in anyway.

Knowing how long you'll have to put up with this may really help. You can count the minutes until you leave! How many housekeeping jobs would you have to take on to leave in 3 months? How much would you need to sell on eBay to leave in 4 months? Stuff like that, I hope, can help you.

Know my thoughts and wishes for happiness are with you, Shewolf.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 01:49 pm
Shewolf--

BorisKitten has excellent advice, particularly:

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I would strongly suggest getting yourself, at least, to AlAnon meetings ASAP. If I were you, I'd go as often as possible, definitely more than once a week. They too can really help a lot. And remember, this group is just for people like you who are forced to live with alcoholics, not for alcoholics themselves.


The house cleaning is a good, practical financial project that will eventually make escape possible.

Meanwhile, you've got to survive emotionally and AlAnon will help. Ideally Ian would attend as well, but this isn't an ideal world. He's got to hit his own version of "bottom" as in "I can't live with a drunken mother any more".

The walking partner, the social aspects of the cleaning--and anything else that will get you out of the house, talking with sane, sober people--will be lifesaving.

You can't stop your m-i-l from hitting the bottle, but you can ensure that you survive with your sanity intact.

Hold your dominion.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 02:56 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
yet another drunken fight comes to an end.
....
I told her yesterday about my decision to go into business for myself working in housecleaning.
her anger is now that she has a garage full of stuff i should clean. ...


'Course this is logical from her standpoint. Why should you be out making a living when you could be around to (a) be her verbal punching bag and (b) go on a busman's holiday and be her personal slave and (c) be the one who she can blame and tell to leave her alone because of course it's all your fault since she can't be blamed for her actions.

Argh.

I saw you really liked your first customer. That's excellent! And the more you work with her, and work well with her, you can not only get references but perhaps if she has friends who need your services, she will give them your name. So the more clients you have like this (and, as you are aware, treat them beautifully, as well as you can, as that will pay major dividends for you), the better.

We're all on your side, kiddo.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 06:36 pm
>sigh<
every week the same thing
yet another drunken episode ..

best part..

its on tape

maybe i should send it in to americas funniest videos.
Boradcast it nation wide
play it for her boss
play it for her friend
play it for her therapist
play it on a big screen again and again in madison square garden.. Laughing

tomorrow.. we show it to her.
Im thinking, i should write a letter , and let it all out.
Let her know how evil she is when she is drunk, remind her of the horrible things she has said to me. Did you know she was pissed when I was pregnant? Have I said this before? That she thought I was trapping her son and was pissed that she wasnt told soon enough to " do something about it" ? Before I even knew her first name.. this is how she treated me.
Im thinking of starting a letter with that..
and ending with her statements from today.
Let her know what it is like on THIS SIDe of the fence living with a mean drunk..
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 06:45 pm
i'd go with just the tape

good luck
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 07:00 pm
Tape alone, from my view... it puts the focus directly on her.

I think a little advice from your therapist or those alanon folks you spoke with might help, because this can be quite threatening to a person, no matter that she needs it, there may be ways to do it in a way that makes it not a destruction derby. You may need to be careful, re how she lands from it, and how your husband ends up feeling.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 07:04 pm
how does one present this?
i agree, the letter is overkill and isnt my true point with the video . besides that it would be a very selfish move on my half that could really back fire..

it isnt a gentle subject , presenting someone with a video of them slobbering and stumbling..
how does the presentation of it be ' gentle' when the subject isnt?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 07:14 pm
I don't know myself, but there's a word for this, intervention.

I'd put off the doing until you read more pros and cons and how to's and why nots, and what to do if the why nots are right.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 08:00 pm
hmm.. goodpoint.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 8 Oct, 2005 09:23 pm
Shewolf--

Where is Mr. Wolf in all of this?

The Chinese character for conflict is two women under one roof. This is without either woman being an alcoholic.

I've been where you are. The First Mr. Noddy had an alcoholic mother and his attitude was pretty much that he'd act only if he were personally inconvenienced--as in screamed at.

He did recognize (backed up by his father) that we needed a place of our own ASAP.

His attitude towards his mother's behavior towards me was, "I don't wanna make waves."

I think you have drawn a belly-to-the-bar, double-doozie of a m-i-l. Still, you can only make decisions for yourself. You can't make them for Mr. Wolf.

What does he think about showing his mother the tape?

How close do you think your m-i-l is to hitting bottom?

I know the temptation to be nasty to a nasty drunk--but there are four people involved and the other three are blood kin.

Hold your dominion.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 06:28 am
I got home after a job to find Mr wolf tapping a drunk woman. I grabbed the digital camera and took some video as well.
What he and I were tapping were the " **** you two, your worthless, im a better person" speech she gives every time. He got video of her stumbling around not being able to walk, unable to really talk due to slurring, drooling.. the whole 9 yards. I was simply" back up" with the digital.

He used to be of the idea that ... well, sort of as you stated, ignore it and the problem will go away.

HE is the one who started talking to her about her drinking. HE is the one who began trying to point things out to her. HE is the one who paved the way for me to start talking to her too.
I would never talk to her because anytime a ' supposed talk' was going on, it was all insults, screaming, and other childish behvaior. So I wiould grab bean and leave . He finally told me to just let it out and say mypiece. This, after she begun the personal attack on me.
So I did..

He knows it is time to leave. I have told him about home loans .. I believe FHA is what they are called.. that will help us get a home for cheap and get a loan almost right away. We have very little credit histoery and I have a TON of medical bills with in the last 2 years..

He is moving from.. " dont talk, it will go away"
to - "mom, your crazy" ... and quickly
I think her bottom will be suicide. I really and truly do. According to her,. drunk AND sober, noone loves her and everyone is out to get her. It is everyone else who should be making her happy and noone does . Her world is **** and she is all alone.
I do not see her alive for a month after we leave. If I am wrong , frankly I will be very surprised. And I am not saying this to be nasty. not in the least. This is what I feel to be the absolut truth. But I do not share this with Mr Wolf.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 08:05 am
I think Mr. Wolf needs to see the tape, in its entirety, even if he shot it or any of it. Just, take it to a friend's house or watch at home if m-i-l is not at home and not expected to be home.

And talk about it, about how to present it and what to present. A two-hour (let's say for sake of argument) tape is probably overkill, so talk about which parts you'll show. But I would not get into editing, as it may look as if you are trying to show her in the worst possible light. Just, 00055 to 007634 on the counter are the parts you want to show, and even if 00099 through 00127 are not what you want to show, just leave them in anyway. You don't want to alter this tape, I'm just saying that maybe you don't need to show every bit of it.

And don't present it until your ducks start to get lined up. That means, contact the FHA, look into a Fannie Mae mortgage (this is for first-time home buyers), look into what an apartment will cost, whatever, just start the process and be a ways down that road before presenting the tape. Because the tape is, I am sure, going to result in her kicking you out. So have a place or a possibility of a place before you do that.

When you finally do present the tape, send bean to a friend's house overnight and present the tape together. Your husband doesn't get out of it and neither do you -- present a united front. And have treatment information available. AA, rehab centers, whatever you can find. "Oh, you don't like AA? Well, here's the number of a rehab center. You don't like rehab centers? Then here's a doctor." etc. etc. etc. Be able to meet every objection and answer every question by steering it back to the matter at hand.

Contact her doctor, her primary care physician (I can't recall if I mentioned this before) as chronic drinking creates obvious medical issues and, perhaps, it will help if her doctor also intervenes, from his/her end, and makes a speech about what the drinking is doing to her body.

What I'm saying is, get all of your resources together, make it so that your family is as safe and protected and set up as possible, before going ahead with this, and then, when you do go ahead, go full steam ahead. No half measures.
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BorisKitten
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 08:17 am
I can only second Jespah's excellent advice, Shewolf.

My heartfelt thoughts are with you.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 11:14 am
Family Intervention - How It Works
Family Intervention - How It Works
From Buddy T,Your Guide to Alcoholism / Substance Abuse.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/info2/a/aa100897.htm

Sometimes It Is the Only Choice Left

Sometimes when the alcoholic's problems reach the crisis level, the only choice left to his family is professional intervention.

What is intervention? Basically it comes down to confronting the alcoholic with how his drinking has effected everyone around him. The alcoholic's family, friends, and employers tell the alcoholic in their own words how his (or her) drinking has been a problem in their lives.

But it is not as simple as that.

Interventions should be carefully planned and developed by professional substance abuse counselors who are experienced in such procedures. The only purpose of an intervention is to get the alcoholic to go into a treatment program.

Most alcohol and drug treatment centers have counselors who are trained to help families prepare for the confrontation, which always takes place in a "controlled" environment, specifically selected to put the alcoholic in a position in which he is most likely to listen. Many times these interventions take place at the workplace, with the full cooperation of the employer.

Sometimes, the intervention comes as a total surprise to the alcoholic, but recently new techniques have been developed in which the members of the intervention team tell the alcoholic that they are talking with a counselor about his drinking problem several days prior to the actual intervention.

Does it work?

With the new method, the alcoholic realizes that the most important people in his life are meeting about his problem, and when he is finally invited to the discussion, he does not feel as "ambushed" as with the earlier intervention techniques.

If the alcoholic does decide to enter the treatment center, he is more apt to be less angry than with the former procedure of surprising him with the confrontation. He feels less manipulated and usually enters the program with the attitude of trying to get better from the start.

With the old method, many times the alcoholic agreed to the treatment, but started the recovery process with an "attitude."

Some Risks Involved

Professional intervention is not an option for every family and every situation. The decision to choose the intervention path is one that should be made carefully and with the advice of an experienced counselor.

There are some potential risks.

As one health care professional put it: "There are a fair number of substance abuse treatment centers who have stopped doing these interventions because when the intervention fails, as it sometimes inevitably does, the family can be further torn apart by all the bad feelings about the intervention. Not a small point for a family already on the edge of destruction from having an actively alcoholic member."

"The intervention may fail if the alcoholic doesn't make some important transitions during and after formal treatment, but the alcoholic identified patient may very well storm out of the intervention session and the family will have to pick up the pieces of a failed intervention on top of the rest of their problems."

There are others who believe no intervention can be successful in the long run, because of their experience that most alcoholics can't be helped until they are ready to reach out for help on their own. Although the confrontation itself may in fact put the alcoholic in the frame of mind to be "ready" to get help, it can also be a point of resentment in the future.

There is no known "cure" for alcoholism. It can be treated, but never "cured." Intevention will work only if the alcoholic becomes committed to never taking another drink.

If the alcoholic's problems have progressed so that he has become a danger to himself or others, or if his alcoholism has reached the point that he is no longer capable of looking out for himself, intervention can be a life-saving choice. But it is not a permanent cure. Only the alcoholic himself can turn a 28-day treatment program into a life-long program of recovery.

Deciding to approach the alcoholic in your life with a confrontational intervention can produce some potentially very undesirable consequencies.

Intervention Can Produce Some Undesirable Consequencies

Deciding to approach the alcoholic in your life with a confrontational intervention can produce some potentially very undesirable consequencies.

After last week's feature was published, a friend of mine who has spent his entire career as a highly-qualified professional in the treatment field, wrote to point out the possible negative side to taking the intervention step.

I have asked him to explain his concerns, in his own words:

Last week's features offers a fairly positive view of interventions. There is another side. Many professional people have stopped doing these interventions as they can be so very painful to families and to individuals who are already under the enormous strain of being involved with the practicing alcohol abuser or addict.

If the intervention goes well and the target individual seeks treatment, it is a great beginning; if the target individual angrily stomps out of the intervention and/or otherwise refuses cooperation and refuses to seek treatment, all is likely not so fine.

The family and the other interveners then are left sitting there wondering what to do next, what to do with themselves, what to do in regard to any options/alternatives they have told the target person about (e.g., threats of divorce, taking the children away, etc.), and so on.

Of course it is as true in interventions as in any other area of life that there are no guarantees, no certainties, no sure deals, no "something for nothing."

Basically, my issue here is that I strongly recommend that anyone considering an intervention give very serious thought to the very real option that treatment will be refused and/or that treatment will be briefly accepted but that the alcohol abusing individual will return to abusing.

What happens then? Have all involved made progress or lost ground? In what ways are things better for any one person, and in what ways are they worse?

What happens next? The answers to these questions may help someone decide whether they see an intervention as a desirable or an undesirable thing to do.

I think that these questions do need to be carefully addressed ahead of time, and I think that it is perfectly reasonable to ask any professional intervener to help you address these questions.

Ask for Information

I would also recommend asking any prospective intervener what his/her background, training, and experience with this type of treatment approach is, and what their level of licensing and/or certification is. Are they self-employed or are they a part of a larger hospital or treatment center which in turn must meet meet various professional and governmental requirements.

At a minimum, you should find out if your potential intervening professional is licensed and/or certified by the appropriate source, and you additonally might ask local people whom you trust (your clergyman, your doctor) if they know anyone to recommend.

I do want to be clear in saying that planning and carrying out a structured, confrontational style intervention is serious business, and that it is a very complex and difficult intervention.

I would recommend that anyone contemplating it consider the risks as well as the potential advantages, and that anyone considering seeking any type of professional assistance should inquire carefully as to the qualifications of the potential professional person to be involved.
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Vivien
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 11:39 am
Jespah's advice is really good - I hope you get out of this situation quickly and that mil comes to her senses.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 12:26 pm
Thank you for that Jespah. You made some damn good points that I have not thought about.
When mr wolf is done rocking bean to bed, i am going to read this to him and share that outline with him as well.
We are both sort of... rocking the boat.. so to speak and not sure wich way to lean. Show her today? show her later... show her today.. show her later..

alcohol makes a person very VERY angry due to the chemical depression it brings on. She could very easily tell us to go and in her blurry mind, justify it. No matter if we have anywhere TO GO or not.. and that is an option that we need to keep under control as best we can.
Right now, there is about.. 45 minutes of tape.
Give or take a bit.. but not much.
it will be easy to hide and store for later use .

I have spent a good amount of time looking into home loans and have found a few avenues we could go that have a no money out of pocket promise. FHA being number one.
I will look into the Fannie Mae thing next. Thank you for that tid-bit
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 12:56 pm
SheWolf--

I'm glad you and Mr. Wolf are going to be able to present a united front.

Jespah and BBB have given excellent advice.

Once your ducks are all in a row, do what has to be done.

Hold your dominion.
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jespah
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 07:02 am
I'm a big fan of duck line-ups. Uh, you know what I mean.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 07:42 am
I don't have anything else to offer other than to tell you I know from personal experience how hard it is to live in a home with the atmosphere you are describing. It's a poisonous atmosphere and the only healthy outcome is to get some space of your own, but you already know that.

It's not a easy time for you and Mr Wolf, but the difficult days ahead can bring about some peace and safety for the two of you and bean.

Best wishes, She.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2005 08:00 am
babsatamelia wrote an interesting/horrifying post last night about her memories of growing up with a drunk in the house.

If nothing else, Bean doesn't need those memories.
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