shewolf
shewolf wrote: "In my mind, since it was such a short time ago , I truly believe that ,if the english never landed, the spanish never conquered, we as a nation would be living as close to nature as humanly possible with small trinkets of technology scattered here and there for posterity and power."
Would you be happy and would you want to raise the Bean in such an invironment?
BBB
p.s. Give the Bean a big hug from me.
Diane wrote:Yay for littlek. Pretty brave for a kid not quite a teenager.
agreed.
As a 9 year old immigrant kid I resented it but didn'rt have the noive to object.
Shewolf - I think that the germs did the natives in more than anything else. Their hunters were used to stalking prey who would skitter off at the snap of a twig. Big booted euro men would be easy pickings with bows until they could get their hands on some guns and ammo. That's my opinion anyway.
Panzade, that's the way it goes.....
Yes Ralph, grow up! Don't you realize that being American means pissing all over things other people find sacred? The flag?! Crap. Meaningless material. Mariage? Inconvenient and irrelevant! Patriotism? Punch line to a joke!
Get with the program Ralph. This is nothing more than a continual whiny spasm brought forth by small minds and listened to and repeated by smaller minds. Best to ignore it and pray it goes away. Oh, wait, God is just another one of those things to be pissed on. Nevermind...
Take a deep breath McGentrix. No one was whining here (until you showed up).
Ralph's student is on legal high ground (as well as moral high ground). She is fully protected by the Constitution and court precedent.
The only thing that Ralph can do is try to use his position of authority, but hopefully his student has received a good education (presumably from a different source) on her rights as an American.
- No one here has ever said the flag was "crap".
- I have a very "convenient" and relevant marriage. Many of us are fighting for the rights of all Americans to have marriage (this means we feel it is relevant and important).
- Don't confuse Patriotism with "nationalism". Nationalism is a love of symbols and strength. Patriotism is a love of what the country stands for.
Citizens of many countries, from China to Libya to North Korea, support their military, salute their flags, participate in rituals to show their alliegence.
I love America for what she stands for. I love freedom of speech, the fact that we resist state religion, our support of diversity and our rich immigrant heritage.
America, to me, is not about empty symbols. It is about the ideals of liberty, self-determination.
You may be more nationalistic than I, but you are not more patriotic.
- I have no problem with God. My anger is with the hypocrisy of the people who claim to follow God.
McG - No one here, I'd wager, has ever pissed on the flag. And, I would go so far as to guess, that no one here would want to. How are we pissing all over anything, anyway? We just don't want to be forced to pledge a silly pledge.
McGentrix wrote:Yes Ralph, grow up! Don't you realize that being American means pissing all over things other people find sacred? The flag?! Crap. Meaningless material. Mariage? Inconvenient and irrelevant! Patriotism? Punch line to a joke!
Get with the program Ralph. This is nothing more than a continual whiny spasm brought forth by small minds and listened to and repeated by smaller minds. Best to ignore it and pray it goes away. Oh, wait, God is just another one of those things to be pissed on. Nevermind...
The= If Your Not With Us, Your Against Us Mentality.
littlek wrote:McG - No one here, I'd wager, has ever pissed on the flag. And, I would go so far as to guess, that no one here would want to. How are we pissing all over anything, anyway? We just don't want to be forced to pledge a silly pledge.
Good point, littlek!. Personally, I never pledged allegiance to the German flag. It would be considered rude in Germany to expect me to. I never peed on the German flag either. That would be considered rude in Germany as well. Not to overstrain McGentrix's sense of nuance, but that's what we do over here. It works quite nicely.
littlek wrote:McG - No one here, I'd wager, has ever pissed on the flag.
But the charge sure does add to the dramatic effect of a nationalistic rant.
dys, Most kids in American schools don't even think about what they are saying when they recite the pledge. It's just another rote thing. I used the American flag to teach symbolism in poetry. I think that's the first time that the students ever tuned in.
