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Grab some black people who look like they might be preachers

 
 
Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:10 am
Bush's staus with blacks suffers

With this administration, it's all about PR and photo ops. That is the sole proficiency in the Bush WH. They give good PR. They are great at smears. But nothing else.

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Gulf Coast Isn't the Only Thing Left in Tatters; Bush's Status With Blacks Takes Hit
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON

From the political perspective of the White House, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than an enormous swath of the Gulf Coast. The storm also appears to have damaged the carefully laid plans of Karl Rove, President Bush's political adviser, to make inroads among black voters and expand the reach of the Republican Party for decades to come.

Many African-Americans across the country said they seethed as they watched the television pictures of the largely poor and black victims of Hurricane Katrina dying for food and water in the New Orleans Superdome and the convention center. A poll released last week by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center bore out that reaction as well as a deep racial divide: Two-thirds of African-Americans said the government's response to the crisis would have been faster if most of the victims had been white, while 77 percent of whites disagreed.

The anger has invigorated the president's critics. Kanye West, the rap star, raged off-script at a televised benefit for storm victims that "George Bush doesn't care about black people." Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said in Miami last week that Americans "have to come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a significant role in who survived and who did not."

At the White House, the public response has been to denounce the critics as unseemly and unfair. "I think all of those remarks were disgusting, to be perfectly frank," Laura Bush said in an interview with the American Urban Radio Network, when asked about the comments of Mr. West and Mr. Dean. "Of course President Bush cares about everyone in our country."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the administration's most prominent African-American, weighed in, too. "Nobody, especially the president, would have left people unattended on the basis of race," Ms. Rice said, en route to her native Alabama to attend a church service.

But behind the scenes in the West Wing, there has been anxiety and scrambling - after an initial misunderstanding, some of the president's advocates say, of the racial dimension to the crisis.

One of Mr. Bush's prominent African-American supporters called the White House to say he was aghast at the images from the president's first trip to the region, on Sept. 2, when Mr. Bush stood next to Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi and Gov. Bob Riley of Alabama, both white Republicans, and praised them for a job well done. Mr. Bush did not go into the heart of New Orleans to meet with black victims.

"I said, 'Grab some black people who look like they might be preachers,' " said the supporter, who asked not to be named because he did not want to be identified as criticizing the White House.Three days later, on Mr. Bush's next trip to the region, the president appeared in Baton Rouge at the side of T. D. Jakes, the conservative African-American television evangelist and the founder of a 30,000-member megachurch in southwest Dallas.

Bishop Jakes, a multimillionaire and best-selling author, is to deliver the sermon this Friday at the Washington National Cathedral, his office said, where Mr. Bush will mark a national day of prayer for Hurricane Katrina's victims. The bishop's style of preaching is black Pentecostal - he roars and rumbles in performances that got him on the cover of Time magazine as "America's best preacher" in 2001. More important to Mr. Rove, he has become a vital partner in the White House effort to court the black vote.

Last week, the White House continued its political recovery effort among African-Americans through its network of conservative black preachers like Bishop Jakes. Many of them have received millions of dollars for their churches through Mr. Bush's initiative to support religious-based social services - a factor, Republicans say, in Mr. Bush's small increase in support among black voters, from 9 percent in 2000 to 11 percent in 2004.

On Tuesday in the Roosevelt Room, Mr. Bush met with black preachers and leaders of national charities, and sat next to Bishop Roy L. H. Winbush, a black religious leader from Louisiana. On Thursday, two senior White House officials, Claude Allen and James Towey, held a conference call with black religious leaders to ask what needed to be done. Mr. Towey is the director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, and Mr. Allen, who is African-American, is the president's domestic policy adviser.

One Bush supporter, the Rev. Eugene F. Rivers III, the president of the National Ten Point Leadership Foundation, a coalition that represents primarily black churches, said last week that something positive might come out of the crisis. "This is a moral and intellectual opportunity for the Bush administration to clearly articulate a policy agenda for the black poor," Mr. Rivers said in an interview.

Ken Mehlman, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who has made reaching out to black voters a priority, put it simply. "We're going to work with them," Mr. Mehlman said. "This disaster showed how important it is that we do these things."[/url]
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 04:46 pm
Why did the mayor of NO cram all of those people into those domes with not enough water or food? Why have none of you looked to the failure on the local level in this crisis?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 04:57 pm
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"I said, 'Grab some black people who look like they might be preachers,' " said the supporter, who asked not to be named because he did not want to be identified as criticizing the White House.Three days later, on Mr. Bush's next trip to the region, the president appeared in Baton Rouge at the side of T. D. Jakes, the conservative African-American television evangelist and the founder of a 30,000-member megachurch in southwest Dallas.


See, no racism involved. Some of my best friends are black. Rich republican contributors, but still black, so don't accuse me of not caring about black people.

Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:39 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Why did the mayor of NO cram all of those people into those domes with not enough water or food? Why have none of you looked to the failure on the local level in this crisis?


Once the levee broke, where do you suggest he cram all those peole? YMCA? Please offer a sensible alternative besides kill kill kill them.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:49 pm
Did I say that? Why didn't he evacuate the people before the levee broke? Wasn't there a picture of 200 some buses all under water? If so why weren't those buses used to evacuate people? That was the responsibility of the Mayor and the Gov of LA not the presidents.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:00 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Why did the mayor of NO cram all of those people into those domes with not enough water or food? Why have none of you looked to the failure on the local level in this crisis?



Being a resident of California, I don't have any control over what the mayor of NO does. I DO have control over what the POTUS and the Federal Government does.

Want to whine about Louisiana politicians, NO will be looking for few new residents shortly.

Do you finally get it?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:02 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Did I say that? Why didn't he evacuate the people before the levee broke? Wasn't there a picture of 200 some buses all under water? If so why weren't those buses used to evacuate people? That was the responsibility of the Mayor and the Gov of LA not the presidents.


Yu asked why he crammed them into those centers, not why he didnt evacuate them. So where should he have put them, if you will answer your own question please.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:05 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Why did the mayor of NO cram all of those people into those domes with not enough water or food? Why have none of you looked to the failure on the local level in this crisis?



Being a resident of California, I don't have any control over what the mayor of NO does. I DO have control over what the POTUS and the Federal Government does.

Want to whine about Louisiana politicians, NO will be looking for few new residents shortly.

Do you finally get it?


No I don't get it. You want to complain about the results of the response but you don't want to complain about what happened before and what could have been done to prevent the current results. Admit it, you just don't like Bush and could careless about the people down there, you just want another reason to try and complain about Bush. Your bias is apparent and see through. You have no reason to complain expect to make noise.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:05 pm
BVT, it always the same thing with them, it's always someone else's fault. Really! Only about 35% still fall for this PR, yet it is frightening that 35% of the population can be suffering from cognitive dissonance.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 02:28 am
Baldimo wrote:
Your bias is apparent and see through. You have no reason to complain expect to make noise.


Any time you want to start speaking English is fine with me, as I am sure it is fine with the other people on this thread.

What are you talking about?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 05:58 am
I would respond to this post but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling and that I am not to ever respond to any Chrissee posts since Chrissee does not know who I am.


For the record I have never been to San Francisco.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:33 am
Sturgis wrote:
I would respond to this post but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling and that I am not to ever respond to any Chrissee posts since Chrissee does not know who I am.


For the record I have never been to San Francisco.


Please tell the truth for a change. I never said that.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:50 am
Chrissee wrote:
Sturgis wrote:
I would respond to this post but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling and that I am not to ever respond to any Chrissee posts since Chrissee does not know who I am.


For the record I have never been to San Francisco.


Please tell the truth for a change. I never said that.


On the Pelosi: Bush, "Oblivious, dangerous" thread on September 10, 2005 you said in Post #1562104..."You are either an altie or someone who knows me from another forum. Go troll someone else." You also expressed issues about me responding to your comments in that thread.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:49 am
Sturgis wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Sturgis wrote:
I would respond to this post but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling and that I am not to ever respond to any Chrissee posts since Chrissee does not know who I am.


For the record I have never been to San Francisco.


Please tell the truth for a change. I never said that.


On the Pelosi: Bush, "Oblivious, dangerous" thread on September 10, 2005 you said in Post #1562104..."You are either an altie or someone who knows me from another forum. Go troll someone else." You also expressed issues about me responding to your comments in that thread.



Thanks for confirming that I never said:

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that I am not to ever respond to any Chrissee posts since Chrissee does not know who I am.


Kindly tell the truth.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:52 am
As well, thanks for confirming that I did not say:

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but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling


Really, you need to be truthful in your accusations.

I will not allow myself to be smeared on this forum.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 06:04 pm
You accused me of trolling...why don't you admit the truth? You said "GO TROLL SOMEONE ELSE" Deny it as much as you want but the words were yours not mine and in fact I had to ask what an altie was since it was a new term to me.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 06:59 pm
Rolling Eyes It's always about race or sexual preference. Rolling Eyes
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:16 pm
Chrissee wrote:
As well, thanks for confirming that I did not say:

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but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling


Really, you need to be truthful in your accusations.

I will not allow myself to be smeared on this forum.


Again, I never said
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Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling
or words to that effect. I resent being smeared by the right-wing here. Maybe the Governor of LA or Cindy Sheehan aren't here to defend themselves. But I am and I will.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:31 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
As well, thanks for confirming that I did not say:

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but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling


Really, you need to be truthful in your accusations.

I will not allow myself to be smeared on this forum.


Again, I never said
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Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling
or words to that effect. I resent being smeared by the right-wing here. Maybe the Governor of LA or Cindy Sheehan aren't here to defend themselves. But I am and I will.


Didn't he provide the post # in which you made the statement?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 09:40 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
As well, thanks for confirming that I did not say:

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but Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling


Really, you need to be truthful in your accusations.

I will not allow myself to be smeared on this forum.


Again, I never said
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Chrissee says if I respond to any Chrissee posts or comments that I am trolling
or words to that effect. I resent being smeared by the right-wing here. Maybe the Governor of LA or Cindy Sheehan aren't here to defend themselves. But I am and I will.


Didn't he provide the post # in which you made the statement?


No he didn't. You can do a search and confirm I never said what is claimed. Be my guest, if you like wasting your time.


BTW I thought you were shippping out to Afganhistan.
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