List of things we could do without if we had teeny governmen

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I got to thinking about what we would have if we had the teeny weenie government the economic darwinists want.

I could cross from San Francisco to Oakland or from New Jersey to New York on a log raft I could build myself. (No big bridges)

I could drive my horse and wagon from California to to Florida. (No interstate highway system.)

I could try to dig a water well on my property in the West and South West. (No dams or water distribution systems.)

You get the idea. Add your own "I coulds" to my list.

BBB

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I could blank out all the TV and radio stations in my town with a tower transmitter costing $100. No FCC to regulate anyone anymore.

Cycloptichorn

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I could finance healthcare, education and retirement savings for me and my family instead of helping to finance pork bills and a stupid war.

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I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

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I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

How about your child? Isn't he willing to work for his own college tuition? Aren't you just subsidizing his lazy life?

I paid for my own college, so can he, right?

Cycloptichorn

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I could laugh at the silly buggers who didnt manage to get a job like I did and blame them for their poverty as they sank into homelessness and food-stamp living. Hah! Hah! Hah! See, now unemployment benefits are still robbing me of part of that fun.

Or, or, I could live in cities where I wouldnt have to be bothered by poor people anymore, since there wouldnt be such nonsense as rent control and rent subsidy. Theyd all be safely put away in decrepit projects out of town!

Id be able to get cheaper crap-quality supermarket groceries, since noone would be enforcing minimum wages anymore (hey, those girls can get a second or a third job), and nobody would implement safety and health controls over products anymore either. Consumer's individual responsibility!

I could enjoy driving through endless sprawl where there's now still some of those annoyingly pretty forests and meadows and ****, because Big Government wouldnt patronisingly prevent healthy economic expansion with those nonsensical spatial planning and environment policies.

Oh, so much more! The sheer bliss. Where to begin. I cant understand why not everybody embraces libertarianism.

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Wow, getting a little touchy there, aren't we? Perhaps you should consider keeping your cool in the future.

I'm just pointing out the internal inconsistencies of your logic. You are quite willing to allow some to live off of the sweat of others, but not others....

Either you believe that everyone over the age of 18 should pay their own way through life, or you don't. It seems you don't. This makes you more of a socialist than I think you are comfortable with.

When your kid is in college, you aren't raising them anymore. You are subsidizing the life of someone else. Your 'she earned it by studying hard' criteria is immaterial to the discussion.

Perhaps you should re-enroll, and take some courses in Logic. But don't apply for financial aid, if anyone finds out they'll call you a socialist<gasp>!

Cycloptichorn

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woiyo wrote:

I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

I think woiyo is to be commended. He is a better man than I.

I am giving half my money to buy bombs to drop on villages in Iraq. Giving money to people here seems far nobler. I would suggest though, that he might try giving it to the people who are working 2 or 3 full time jobs, trying to make ends meet and still requiring food stamps.

(Of course the implication is that my income is about 200 times higher than woiyos).

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ebrown_p wrote:

woiyo wrote:
I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

I think woiyo is to be commended. He is a better man than I.

I am giving half my money to buy bombs to drop on villages in Iraq. Giving money to people here seems far nobler. I would suggest though, that he might try giving it to the people who are working 2 or 3 full time jobs, trying to make ends meet and still requiring food stamps.

(Of course the implication is that my income is about 200 times higher than woiyos).

If you want to give money to people, go ahead and stand outside and give money to anyone you want. However, the GOVT has no right to take from you and give it to poeple unwilling to help themselves.

And if your income was 200 times higher than mine, you would not be posting on this silly web site, you'd own it.

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woiyo - You really might want to take it down a few notches.

If your daughter EARNED the PRIVELEGE of having her college financed by getting good grades, then every child with ecellent grades has earned that privelege, right?

No matter. The point was made that by cyclo very nicely.

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woiyo wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
woiyo wrote:
I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

I think woiyo is to be commended. He is a better man than I.

I am giving half my money to buy bombs to drop on villages in Iraq. Giving money to people here seems far nobler. I would suggest though, that he might try giving it to the people who are working 2 or 3 full time jobs, trying to make ends meet and still requiring food stamps.

(Of course the implication is that my income is about 200 times higher than woiyos).

If you want to give money to people, go ahead and stand outside and give money to anyone you want. However, the GOVT has no right to take from you and give it to poeple unwilling to help themselves.

And if your income was 200 times higher than mine, you would not be posting on this silly web site, you'd own it.

Craven, I didn't realize you were independently wealthy. Congratulations.

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woiyo wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
woiyo wrote:
I could have a paid for my child college education in cash if I did not have to give half my income to people unwilling to work for themselves.

I think woiyo is to be commended. He is a better man than I.

I am giving half my money to buy bombs to drop on villages in Iraq. Giving money to people here seems far nobler. I would suggest though, that he might try giving it to the people who are working 2 or 3 full time jobs, trying to make ends meet and still requiring food stamps.

(Of course the implication is that my income is about 200 times higher than woiyos).

If you want to give money to people, go ahead and stand outside and give money to anyone you want. However, the GOVT has no right to take from you and give it to poeple unwilling to help themselves.

And if your income was 200 times higher than mine, you would not be posting on this silly web site, you'd own it.

If you want to give your money to fund the war in Iraq. Go to your local army facilities-- heck you can just mail a check to Mr. Rumsfeld. However, the GOVT has no right to take it from you to bomb people unwilling to invade themselves.

I was just pointing out that the money you are giving to help people "unwilling to help themselves" is miniscule compared to the amount of money I am giving to what I consider an unjust immoral war.

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Uh, yeah, that "public education" access thingy isn't part of the village needed to raise a child. Rolling Eyes

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You're simply listing or aluding to the things that are necessary, rather than things which aren't. What about pork barrel projects politicians use to pay off campaign supporters? Also, "small government" isn't exclusively a reference to money. It's also a reference to freedom from government intrusion in matters that ought to be up to the individual. As Thoreau said, "That government governs best which governs least." You seem to wish to debate by means of misstating your oponents' arguments, rather than trying to state them as your opponents mean them, and arguing them on that basis.

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To be fair, I don't think Woiyo advocates those things so much, BBB.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Once your CHILD is 18, you don't have the right to decide what is best for them anymore; ...

Tell that to Cindy Sheehan.

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Tico - You missed the point. Not having any say after 18 is the view of the Right when it comes to parents being upset their kids enlisted and got sent to an unnecessary war.

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There you go again, preaching how others should run their families.

I do not care how you run your family, but you liberals feel it necessary to criticize how I run MY family.

It is none of your "F"ing business how I raise my child so long as I provide them with food/shelter, atmosphere free of abuse and access to public education.

You and your snotty attitude is why I am in total disgust with the Democratic Party and thier "it takes a village" bull-$hit attitude.

WTF are you talking about?

I haven't criticized the way you 'run your family' at all.

I'm merely criticizing your decision to provide an adult, not a child, with a free ride. This is contrary to the principle of 'every man working for himself.' You really are sending the wrong message to yer kid if that's what you truly believe, woiyo.

Then again, according to you guys, she's going to be brainwashed into a liberal while at college anyways, so why worry?

Cycloptichorn

BS, Cyclo. I resent your comment and SHOCKED it would come from YOU.

IN MY HOUSE, and I will admit to being "old fashioned", you live in MY HOUSE you LIVE BY MY RULES. No democracy, total dictatorship. My daughter is 19 years old and I made her a deal during her sohpmore year in high school. If she earned a B+ Average or higher and held a part time job at least in the summer, I would pay for her college. C to B I'll pay half, lower than C...NOTHING.

She achieved her goal and I lived up to mu promise.

MY HOUSE, MY RULES. No govt will tell me what is best and neither will you.

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squinney wrote:

Tico - You missed the point. Not having any say after 18 is the view of the Right when it comes to parents being upset their kids enlisted and got sent to an unnecessary war.

I don't think I missed the point, squinney. Perhaps you missed mine.

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evidently.

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