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New Man Acting Aloof...

 
 
Vixen
 
Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 11:50 pm
Dear All,

First, I have found this to be a very helpful, caring and supportive forum (I have to confess that I really haven't been to any others, but still...), even when there are differences in opinion. So I would like to turn to you for a little objective evaluation of my current situation.

I have recently met a man whom I find attractive and who (by his repeated assertions) finds me attractive as well (physically and intellectually). We have really determined that this will probably not turn into a lifelong commitment-bound relationship: he eventually hopes to find someone with whom he can start a family, and I already have been married/am divorced, have my children who are my family, and really don't want to get married again or have any more children.

I made it very clear to him that I am busy and I am looking for a friendship with benefits - someone with whom I can spend some time every now and then (a movie once in a blue moon, a rare night out on the town, an evening at the theatre or opera, fun in the bedroom as often as our schedules will permit). He seemed to be very excited by this proposition (his words: "every man's dream and fantasy"). Sounds perfect, right?

Well, during the past nearly 2 months that we have been talking, we have spent a lot of time on the phone and have sent each other occasional emails. However, after our initial acquaintance (he was giving a talk at the hospital where I work, that's how we met and exchanged numbers), we have only gotten together once (last week). We spent the whole evening talking, but he was definitely physically aroused during that evening (especially apparent when we were saying "good-night" :wink: ). Since then, I have pushed for us to have some more face-to-face time. He has been repeatedly telling me how he wants us to get to know each other better and let things happen as they happen and has been avoiding setting a time for us to meet by using his very full schedule as an excuse. I should also mention that he is very successful and financially secure, and he seems to be very conscious of this.

I have asked him point blank whether he is not really interested any more and wants me to back off. He keeps saying that that's not at all the case. He almost always picks up my calls and on the rare occasions when he doesn't, he promptly responds to my messages. I know he really is very busy, but so am I (I am a surgical resident and a single mom with 2 kids, etc. etc. etc.) and I still try to find some time for a member of the opposite sex (speaking of sex, it keeps me sane and now I am not getting any Sad ).

It is Friday night here and I was really hoping to see him tonight (since my kids are with my ex and I am not on call). So I kept pushing for a meeting (don't want to call it a date, since I really don't think of this as a romance). He told me he is busy and running around like a maniac earlier today and then called me at 10 to tell me that he is finally home and going to bed. Sad But before hanging up, he invited me to a talk he is giving on Monday at a luncheon, he repeatedly told me to come by.

What do you make of this? Has anyone experienced this sort of thing? I have been married and in school (seriously) most of my adult life, so I feel very green - haven't had much experience with adult friendships and dating beyond undergrad college years (and boy, it is different when you are in your 30's). Since my divorce I almost fell for a married guy - thankfully my brain kicked in (and your comments really helped)! Yeay!!!! Now I am trying to have some form of a personal life (read: need sex (lots of it) and non-sexual male companionship (on a rare occasion)). What should I do with this situation? Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to be talking to several men at the same time in order to "keep my options open" - I only have a finite amount of minutes per day that I can spend on myself.

What should I do? I am the one who usually initiates contact (although he always seems happy that I call and stays on the phone with me for a long time - longer than I have time for sometimes). Should I stop calling? Should I go to this luncheon?

Thanks in advance for your advice and comments... and sorry about the long post. Smile

Vi
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devriesj
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 12:26 am
Hi, Vi-. I AM a counselor, but I mostly work with kids... So, that being said, you've talked about how you both REALLY feel about this 'relationship'? It sounds like you're trying to test the boundaries, see where you stand, right? Do you WANT to go to the luncheon? If I were you, and I'm obviously not, I'd go, and then see what happens. See how he acts while you're there in public with other people around. It almost sounds like he's in a relationship, but that'd be going out on a limb without more info. Let me know.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 08:47 am
It's only been two months and you're both very busy -- I know that for myself, two months can slide by like nothing. Go to the luncheon, see what happens.

After that, if nothing does, maybe say to him some variation of what you've already said here -- you're very interested, but you have limited time and don't want to waste it on him if it's a waste. Is it?
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Vixen
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 08:38 pm
Update
First thanks for taking the time to respond to me...

Here is a quick update - I went to the luncheon, he was very cordial and quite touchy-feely (made a point of touching me when talking, etc.). Some of his colleagues were there and he introduced me to everyone.

Now the strangest part, we just finished talking on the phone and during this conversation he asked me if I would like to go to Hawaii with him next month "so we can have some time together without hectic schedules interfering". Well, I can't go because of my schedule and my home responsibilities, but even if I could - this is making me uncomfortable. I asked him if we could get together for dinner one night this week and he kept giving me an excuse for every night of the week, then told me he can't plan anything for the weekend either (well I am working and on call this weekend anyways).

I am completely confused... *scratching my head*....
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Vixen
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 08:41 pm
I even suggested a grab-and-go meal (not a full-blown dinner at a restaurant), but still he made excuses. The man does have to eat, right?
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eoe
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 08:52 pm
In the immortal words of "Sex and the City", sounds like he's just not that into you. If he wanted to be with you, he'd be with you but for whatever reason, he doesn't so, pick up your jacks and move on. One thing I've learned about men...trying to figure out why they do what they do is a big fat waste of time.
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devriesj
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 02:59 am
Gotta go with eoe on this one. Can I ask what may seem an obvious question?: And I don't mean any offense but, he's not married or in a committed relationship is he? It smacks a bit of a man trying to fool around maybe? He's touchy-feely at an event he invited you to, but he doesn't want to commit to a meal out that you've invited him to. Hmm.
He doesn't sound worthy of your effort.
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bobsmythhawk
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:23 am
Your statement "he eventually hopes to find someone with whom he can start a family" really jumped out at me. You've shut off this avenue to him and may be the basis of his treatment of you. If this is uppermost in his mind, you're not an option. Sounds like he's looking to the future and you're mainly concerned with the present.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 04:35 pm
Vivian--

I agree with Devries--this guy is acting married (or committed). He can be good buddies in the professional luncheon milieu, but he wants his nooky out of town.

Even part-time, good men are hard to find.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:17 pm
I just smelled 'married' a couple of posts ago, the part about no time for dinner...
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Vixen
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:58 pm
Thank you for the great advice and insights...
Thank you all for your input... it is great to have this type of support...

First, I would like to state for the record that Noddy is psychic (I am not sure if I should be afraid :wink: ) - I never gave my full name here (I usually just sign as Vix or Vi) and she has correctly guessed that it stands for Vivian! Wow! Surprised Very Happy

I think you are right in your assessment that he is just not that interested and probably because I am not open to what he is looking for. I don't think he is married, because the strange part about the one date we did have was that he asked me to meet him at his house. He gave me a tour and it was a huge, beautiful house that screamed bachelor from every corner (no estrogen visible anywhere), but then again you never know...

Part of me thinks that maybe he is trying to stretch out the "getting-to-know-each-other" period to see if maybe this could develop some potential (but maybe that's the over-confident part of me that is wrinkling her nose at the thought of him just not being that into me Shocked ).

I think I will have to let him know that I am just not that into him any more in the next day or two...

Dating is much harder than I remembered or imagined!!! Shocked

Hugs to those of you who are "hug-people" and thanks to all....

Vi
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:29 pm
Vixen...Vi...Vivian--

I'm not psychic--just absent minded.

I can remember being Single Again in the late '70's--and the rules had changed! Very disorienting.

Have you investigated Parents Without Partners? Some chapters are meat markets and some are dominated by blue haired widows, but you might luck out and find some non-medical, adult friends.

Hold your dominion.
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Vixen
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 11:00 pm
Thanks Noddy.... I did do a search on PWP and there is a chapter within 50 miles, we'll see what happens.

I do really need some non-medical adult friends. I think I have forgotten how to interact with people normally. I have great bedside manner, I interact very well with patients and their families (everyone keeps telling me I am way too nice for a surgeon, etc.), but I think I have become disabled in my other interactions. I have a really hard time socializing even with my colleagues outside the hospital, because none of them can relate to me (the women don't have children or are just planning children) and the guys have wives at home who have the children, so I am the strange one who has 2 kids at home and managed to become chief resident (and sometimes I become paranoid and think others are a little resentful, but I am a hopeless idealist and an overzealous optimist, so this passes quickly and I can't help but think that people are generally good and I am just projecting my own insecurity).

I think I also overwhelm the men I meet, I am too cerebral. I have found that none of the men I have met thus far (since getting divorced) are interested in a woman more accomplished and more intelligent than themselves. I wish I could be a woman with a low sex-drive who is not really that interested in men, but I keep putting myself out there and I feel myself becoming tremendously insecure. I should stop here, since I am about to start psychoanalyzing myself, which is ugly. Sorry, I am just tired, sexually frustrated, feeling lonely and needing to vent... Embarrassed

Thanks for listening -- Vi
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 12:30 am
Noddy24 wrote:
Vixen...Vi...Vivian--

I'm not psychic--just absent minded.


Not psychic? So I guess that 7 weeks, 7 months, 7 days stuff was just a bunch of crap then? Huh!? Huh!?

Thanks for the Parents Without Partners tip though. I can lie about having kids, right? Who could it hurt?

Vixen, I'll stop by next weekend. If you're real nice, I might even bring over my very popular "big box o' sex toys."
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 08:03 am
I can understand your situation, Vixen, and I value your articulate posts here at a2k.

It's interesting about the 'trying to meet' phenomenon; I've often felt trying was getting me nowhere quickly. I met my former husband when I'd given up on that - he showed up as part of a group that rented studio space from our gallery years ago.

I have a female physician with a successful busy practice; I'd guess she is about fifty. She and her husband divorced a bit ago, at her decision. After a while she signed up for an online dating group; nothing worked out. (I say this as not her friend, as our connection is just the professional one, but a friend of mine is a friend of hers.) Anyway, one day not long ago she was walking her dog...(time passes).. and is now happily involved with a fellow who was walking his dog.

I hesitate to ask if you have what application forms call hobbies as you must be extremely busy. But, if you have direct interests in music or photography or some such lifelong preoccupation, you might meet someone interesting at a gathering of those folks.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 10:06 am
Kicky--

After two glasses of wine I become a medium through which the cards can deliver their wisdom.

By the by, PWP members have to provide references. The problem isn't so much dashing bachelors as cheatin' husbands.


Vi/Vixen--

Amy Alkon (The Advice Goddess) remarked in her newspaper column this morning that when Henry Kissinger said, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac," he wasn't talking about women.

Ossobuco is right about Cupid operating in strange and wonderous ways. Meanwhile, one place where there are more men than women is your local political party headquarters. National elections are coming up in 2006 and both the Democrats and the Republicans--and the third parties--will be looking for volunteers.

Don't despair. Hold your dominion.
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Vixen
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 10:21 am
Osso, thanks for the insight... I have been slowly coming to that realization as well. (I tried the online dating thing as well, it is convenient in terms of time management, but did not yield any results. I met one person some months ago who was a good match in nearly every respect and we got along famously, however, we were incompatible physically). I have thought about putting myself on testosterone blockers for a little while (to reduce my libido) until I meet someone interesting - then I am not so eager and overzealous. (I don't want a relationship, but I want to jump into things too quickly maybe, which is what frustrated me with the guy who was the root of this thread).

Noddy, thanks for the tip about the politicians. Unfortunately, I find politicians very frustrating (even many of the raving socialists like myself). I have had to get involved with the state legislature on a few occasions, for health related issues, have even been delegated to give expert testimony to the state senate, and have found the experience very frustrating. But who knows, I am actually doing a study on non-accidental trauma (as an academic side-pursuit), and will be getting involved with the politico types again when I have the results.

Kicky... thank you... your generosity is making me teary-eyed... I will be waiting... :wink:
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 12:19 pm
I had to laugh about the Kissinger quote not being true for women: that is often correct.
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devriesj
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2005 12:41 pm
Been watching the thread & thought I'd peek my head in. Vixen, you're an intelligent vivacious woman. I'm sure things will work out for you, and I wish you all the best. I know it's a pain in the meantime, but I hope the journey is fun for you!
- dev
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Vixen
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2005 08:15 pm
Hi Dev--

Thanks for peeking in and for being so positive and encouraging - there is nothing more powerful than human energy.

I will simply have to stop hurrying the future... it will unfold one day at a time... waiting is so difficult though (especially when hormones have more control over you than reason)... Smile
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