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"Bush falls victim to a bad new argument for the Iraq war."

 
 
blatham
 
Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:03 am
The Sunk-Cost Fallacy

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By Barry Schwartz
Posted Friday, Sept. 9, 2005, at 3:24 AM PT

In recent speeches, President Bush has offered several reasons for staying the course in Iraq. One of them is the almost 2,000 Americans who have already died in the war. "We owe them something," the president said on Aug. 22. "We will finish the task that they gave their lives for."

Psychologists, decision scientists, and economists have a name for this type of argument: the "sunk-cost fallacy." It has gotten the United States into trouble once before. As casualties mounted in Vietnam in the 1960s, it became more and more difficult to withdraw, because war supporters insisted that withdrawal would cheapen the lives of those who had already sacrificed. We "owed" it to the dead and wounded to "stay the course." We could not let them "die in vain." What staying the course produced was perhaps 250,000 more dead and wounded.

Here are a few more trivial examples of the sunk-cost fallacy:

You have good tickets to a basketball game an hour drive away. There's a blizzard raging outside, and the game is being televised. You can sit warm and safe at home by a roaring fire and watch it on TV, or you can bundle up, dig out your car, and go to the game. What do you do?
You've ordered too much food at the restaurant and there you are, completely stuffed, with a pile of pasta sitting on your plate. Do you clean your plate or not?
In each of these cases, the money is gone. Do you "waste" it, or do you go to the game, and finish your pasta? It is claimed by economists and psychologists that the right way to approach questions like these is only by looking to the future. Since the money is spent no matter what you do, the only real question you should be asking is what will give you more satisfaction?-watching the game by a roaring fire or sliding to it in a blizzard; leaving the restaurant feeling content or leaving it feeling stuffed. The "sunk costs" are sunk whatever your decision; only the future matters. The fallacy in thinking about sunk costs is precisely that people feel compelled to get their "money's worth," even if it makes them suffer.

The sunk-cost fallacy appears in contexts less mundane than wasted food or basketball tickets. You've invested several million dollars to develop a new product only to be scooped by your competitor, whose version is cheaper and better than yours will be. Do you go on with the development nonetheless? You are two-thirds through a research project when a report of an almost identical project appears in the relevant journal. Do you finish your study or abandon it?

And the sunk-cost fallacy appears in the most consequential of contexts, where injury and death, and not just money or effort, are at stake. Which brings us back to Iraq. How do we honor the sacrifices of those who have died or suffered serious injury in an American conflict? The best way to show how much we respect and value their lives is by refraining from sacrificing other lives in their name unless future prospects fully justify putting more people in harm's way. The lives of those who died are a sunk cost?-one that is much higher than any of our treasure. But their lives can not be reclaimed. Their injuries can not be undone. If our assessment of a military situation is that we are unlikely to be successful, or that the likely price of success in lost lives is too high, then we must change course. What we owe those who have already suffered is enough reverence for life that we won't send others to suffer after them in order to justify their own suffering.

To acknowledge sunk costs and change course need not be an admission of foolishness or even failure. One can think through a problem in the right way, and formulate a wise course of action, only to discover that it doesn't work out. The world is an uncertain place, and good decisions do not guarantee good results (just as bad decisions don't guarantee bad results). But a reason people are seduced by the sunk-cost fallacy is that investments of time, money, or lives on ventures that do not work out feel like failures. They feel like a waste. And people seem willing to waste even more (time, money, or lives) to justify what has already been spent and avoid that sick feeling of failure.

I am not suggesting here that we should "declare victory and leave" Iraq. I am not suggesting that the only justification currently being offered for continued involvement in Iraq is the "sunk cost" in American lives. I am not suggesting that obligations from the past should never enter into one's consideration about the future.

My suggestion here is modest: You may justify the Iraq occupation in many ways?-perhaps you think it will prevent further terror, democratize the Middle East, or restrain Iran?-but it is unacceptable to justify it on the grounds that we "owe" it to those who have already fallen. That is a justification that no one should be allowed to get away with. But it is a justification that is coming increasingly to the fore, usually implicitly but sometimes explicitly, as other arguments about staying the course in Iraq become less and less compelling. Whatever the differences may be between Iraq in 2005 and Vietnam in 1968, if we allow policy makers to use our "sunk costs"?-our dead soldiers?-to justify further conflict, we will have turned Iraq into another Vietnam. And if we do, we will be shamed by Iraq just as we were shamed by Vietnam.


Barry Schwartz is a professor of psychology at Swarthmore College and the author of The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less.

http://www.slate.com/id/2125910/
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:10 am
I wonder why he has not offered the "I am a blithering idiot who wanted the war because Saddam dissed my daddy" argument.

It has one thing going for it that the many others do not. It has a ring of truth.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:11 am
Oh, by the way...

...good post, Bernie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:05 pm
hi frank

"Sunk cost fallacy" isn't a term I've bumped into before, and it is valuable in pointing to a particularly species of fallacious 'logic'. As David Halberstam noted (somewhere in something I read this last week), the argument "we can't leave Viet Nam now or all those kids lives are wasted" began to appear as early as 1964!!!

But I confess to being uncomfortable with a term in paragraph two..."decision scientists"?! It reminds me much too much of a WC Fields snowjob.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:07 pm
sunk cost fallacy... is that anything like throwing good money after bad?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:07 pm
blatham wrote:
But I confess to being uncomfortable with a term in paragraph two..."decision scientists"?! It reminds me much too much of a WC Fields snowjob.


Is this a game of chance, Mr. Sousé?

Not the way I play it.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:15 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
I wonder why he has not offered the "I am a blithering idiot who wanted the war because Saddam dissed my daddy" argument.

It has one thing going for it that the many others do not. It has a ring of truth.

It has nothing to do with Bush's reasons for invading Iraq, which he stated about a thousand times back then, but actually, attempting to assassinate the president is a valid reason for invading another country.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:21 pm
I see, so you think the Venezuelans would be justified in invading Virginia to hunt down Pat Robertson?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:24 pm
blatham wrote:
"Sunk cost fallacy" isn't a term I've bumped into before, and it is valuable in pointing to a particularly species of fallacious 'logic'. As David Halberstam noted (somewhere in something I read this last week), the argument "we can't leave Viet Nam now or all those kids lives are wasted" began to appear as early as 1964!!!

Much earlier:

In McBeth, Act 3, Scene 4, William Shakespeare wrote:
I am in blood
Stepped in so far that,
should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er.

Observant fellow, that Shakespeare. It's a pity he doesn't have a blog -- people ought to read him more often.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:25 pm
Setanta wrote:
I see, so you think the Venezuelans would be justified in invading Virginia to hunt down Pat Robertson?

Not relevant, and I am unwilling to allow someone to attempt to defeat my point by means of fragmenting it into multiple questions. It is undeniable that an attempt to assassinate our president is a valid reason for invading another country.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:26 pm
You're so silly . . . i bet you're just the life of the party, ain't ya . . .

:wink:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:31 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
I wonder why he has not offered the "I am a blithering idiot who wanted the war because Saddam dissed my daddy" argument.

It has one thing going for it that the many others do not. It has a ring of truth.

It has nothing to do with Bush's reasons for invading Iraq, which he stated about a thousand times back then, but actually, attempting to assassinate the president is a valid reason for invading another country.



Well...even if there were indisputable proof that Saddam did attempt to assissinate a president of this country...

...I dare say THAT IS NOT A VALID REASON for invading another country.

There is a sense of proportion that must be brought to bear in these situations, Brandon.

Not that I want to include the word "sense" in a discussion that involves George Bush.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:32 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see, so you think the Venezuelans would be justified in invading Virginia to hunt down Pat Robertson?

Not relevant, and I am unwilling to allow someone to attempt to defeat my point by means of fragmenting it into multiple questions. It is undeniable that an attempt to assassinate our president is a valid reason for invading another country.


No it isn't!


NO IT ISN'T!
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:38 pm
Thomas wrote:
blatham wrote:
"Sunk cost fallacy" isn't a term I've bumped into before, and it is valuable in pointing to a particularly species of fallacious 'logic'. As David Halberstam noted (somewhere in something I read this last week), the argument "we can't leave Viet Nam now or all those kids lives are wasted" began to appear as early as 1964!!!

Much earlier:

In McBeth, Act 3, Scene 4, William Shakespeare wrote:
I am in blood
Stepped in so far that,
should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er.

Observant fellow, that Shakespeare. It's a pity he doesn't have a blog -- people ought to read him more often.


thomas

That's a brilliant observation. Tip of the hat to you.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:38 pm
A game theoretic examination of the "sunk cost fallacy" is the "dollar auction."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:40 pm
We better take precautions. We've attempted to have Castro assassinated. We can never be too vigilant against the possibility of a Cuban invasion. Hell, Miami is probably just crawling with fifth columnists . . .
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:41 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see, so you think the Venezuelans would be justified in invading Virginia to hunt down Pat Robertson?

Not relevant, and I am unwilling to allow someone to attempt to defeat my point by means of fragmenting it into multiple questions. It is undeniable that an attempt to assassinate our president is a valid reason for invading another country.


No it isn't!


NO IT ISN'T!

Well, then we simply have differring positions. I believe that an attempt to assassinate our president gives us the right to take military action against another country and you do not. Enough said.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:42 pm
Setanta wrote:
blatham wrote:
But I confess to being uncomfortable with a term in paragraph two..."decision scientists"?! It reminds me much too much of a WC Fields snowjob.


Is this a game of chance, Mr. Sousé?

Not the way I play it.


Lots of gems from that delicious fellow. I read a bio on him years ago that had me in stiches cover to cover. I was thinking, particularly, of a scene from one movie where he bamboozles an inquisitive cop with his credentials as a "memory expert".
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:43 pm
Setanta wrote:
We better take precautions. We've attempted to have Castro assassinated. We can never be too vigilant against the possibility of a Cuban invasion. Hell, Miami is probably just crawling with fifth columnists . . .

If this is some kind of sideways argument that we do not have the right to invade a country because they tried to assassinate our president, I believe you are mistaken.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 02:44 pm
If the Socialists ever take over Chile, we're in big trouble. We were complicit in the overthrow and murder of Allende. Now if the Chileans, the Venezuelans and the Cubans form a "coalition of the willing," what hope do we have?
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