Are Christians Right or Wrong?

Christians are wonderful people, who have been deceived by the erroneous traditions of their church which were handed down by people such as saint Helena the mother of Emperor Constantine, who never had a clue as to the truths as revealed in the bible.

Nah.

Which denomination? There are apparently 45,000 of them, and I don't know if that's counting all of those that have already come and gone.

And how many of those 45,000 daughters of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, still believe the biblically unsupported erroneous tradition of the so-called virgin birth?

What does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached.

But which Christ are you referring to? The Christ as preached by the apostles, or the one preached by the Roman church of Emperor Constantine?

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, “You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the spirit and the gospel you received from us.”

So, what was that other gospel that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ, that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, whose humanlike body was able to pass through Mary’s Hymen without breaking it, and who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John the beloved disciple, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, and could appear and disappear like some hologram, had begun to rear its ugly head. That’s why it is written in 1 John 4: 1-3; My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the Spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the Spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already.

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.” Where would one expect to find the teaching that Jesus was not a true human being, “Born of the seed of Adam” which teaching has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD.

By the second century, ‘Docetism,’ the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out. Yet there still persisted the belief that their Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and excretion, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.” Even though the scriptures state that it was because Jesus was hungry, that Satan tried to tempt him into turning the stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the authorities of Emperor Constantine’s universal church, used as one of their authorities when trying to defend their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, (Non-biblical) told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. (All non biblical).

Down to the 17th century, Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement’s life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

"ERRONEOUS--HIGHLY SUSPECT," they certainly got that right, but by then the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth had become firmly established in the minds of the multitude.

But we aren't wrong. The evidence proves otherwise.

Yes, they are right or wrong. Hope that clears it up for you.

But I have evidence proving them to be right. Do you have evidence proving them to be wrong?

BTW, this seems to be a crazy forum. I started a few topics and one has been shut down and the other won't let me respond. Is this normal.

Nobody has such evidence.
And the moderators determine if threads and responses are shut down. You can contact to protest but it rarely changes things.

Well, you are going to have to retract that last statement because I found the evidence that proves Jesus as the resurrected Son of God. Start with Mark 13.

I figured it was the moderators who shut down my topics. I wondered if they were scared that I was going to provide the evidence that Jesus is the truth and they didn't like it. Or, some Christian religious leader (CRL) hooked on theology and doctrine complained. It's strange, but evidence scares CRLs.

That conclusion about the mods is wrong in my opinion. They don't mind if you prove Christians are right or wrong. It's how you go about it that makes them take notice.

I try to be respectful of others thoughts while sharing my analysis and conclusions. I didn't get any warnings or statements from the moderators indicating that I did anything against the rules, but two posts ended up closed and I could no longer comment. I've only been shut down in other forums when the moderators didn't like the subject matter so I'm leaning towards attributing it to that. People don't like to hear that there's actually evidence proving Jesus.

Aside from biblical references what evidence did you unearth that Jesus is the risen son of God?

Hello and thanks for the reminder of music greats. That song has always been one of my favorites.

God reveals himself to us through direct actions in our lives and through our dreams. If you are fortunate and blessed you have experienced both. The actions of God in my life are undeniable, therefore many years ago I had no doubts that God existed. But actions by God do not prove that Jesus is also God. So the question becomes, "How can we believe in Jesus?"

Deuteronomy 18:18-22 tells us that two- or three-witnesses are required to prove a matter and especially for a crime with a penalty of death. We all have a penalty of eternal death through our sin and the sacrifice of Jesus was purposed to remove that death sentence. Jesus said that if we believe in him we live. Therefore, per God's law we need two- or three-eyewitness testimonies of Jesus to prove that Jesus can in fact remove that death penalty from us if we believe.

Our expectation then is that if the story of Jesus is the truth, then Jesus left us eyewitness testimony in fulfillment of the Law that Jesus as God gave us. Think about that for a minute. If we do not have tw0- or three-eyewitness testimonies about Jesus the Law says we are NOT to believe. We must therefore have those testimonies to prove Jesus.

So much for proof.

This is no different from when you, as Jasper, claimed all science was wrong, but couldn't articulate anything other than mindless plus minus ad nauseam.

This is the same, your only 'proof' is a feeling you have which you cannot explain.

This is more delusional nonsense from some wannabe prophet who lacks the wherewithal to discuss things coherently.

That's why your threads get shut down, they're just rambling nonsense going nowhere.

I notice you didn't address anything I wrote so why would I present any more of the evidence?

Until you produce evidence there's nothing to discuss.

You're prevaricating because all you have is half baked nonsense you've pulled out your arse.

I can tell from this comment that you wouldn't understand/follow the evidence trail or you aren't interested.