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California Senate approves gay marriage bill

 
 
Thomas
 
Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 03:39 am
The California Senate passed a law under which the state now recognizes same sex marriage. This is the first time an American state gives this recognition because the representatives of the people wanted it, not because the courts imposed it.

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SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 6 - California lawmakers on Tuesday became the first in the country to legalize same-sex marriage, with the State Assembly narrowly approving a bill that defines marriage as between "two persons" instead of between a man and a woman.

Unlike Massachusetts, where gay men and lesbians are permitted to marry because of court rulings, the legislators in California voted to amend the state's family code without the threat of legal action.

"Do what we know is in our hearts," Assemblyman Mark Leno, an openly gay Democrat from San Francisco who sponsored the bill, said Tuesday night in a debate on the bill. "Make sure all Californians, all California's children and families, will have equal protection under the law."

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Way to go, California, that's the way to do it! Cool Add it to the already-long list of things that make California such a cool place.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 04:58 am
Are you coming on to me Thomas? Is this a proposal for California marriage? I hope not because I really can't see myself living out west.


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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 05:01 am
I think that is wonderful.

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This is the first time an American state gives this recognition because the representatives of the people wanted it, not because the courts imposed it.



And THAT makes it all the nicer.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 05:27 am
Sturgis wrote:
Are you coming on to me Thomas? Is this a proposal for California marriage? I hope not because I really can't see myself living out west.

I can set you at ease then. I am a straight European guy living in Munich, Germany, and I posted this because I'm pro-gay-marriage, not because I'm gay or Californian.

Sturgis wrote:
Nice new image there by the way...is that you?...and thanks for the news info.

Thanks -- the image does look more like me than Paul Krugman did. But it's really Antonin Scalia. Like me, he believes it is not for judges to decide whether the state recognizes gay marriage or not. Like me, he thinks it is legitimate if legislatures vote for it, although, unlike me, he is a devout Catholic, so it's safe to guess he would vote against it if he were legislator. I firmly agree with his views of the democratic process, I think he is being vilified unfairly by my liberal friends, so I want to stand up and show some support for him. That's why he is on my avatar.

Phoenix wrote:
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This is the first time an American state gives this recognition because the representatives of the people wanted it, not because the courts imposed it.

And THAT makes it all the nicer.[/b]

Join the club Smile
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 05:32 am
Thanks for the update Thomas.


I had already edited out the info asking if it was you because as I hit the submit button I realized it was Scalia, then I scrambled to pull that line but it was too late you had already been informed.


(and I was just kidding on the marriage proposal)
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 05:37 am
Sturgis wrote:
Thanks for the update Thomas.

I had already edited out the info asking if it was you because as I hit the submit button I realized it was Scalia, then I scrambled to pull that line but it was too late you had already been informed.

(and I was just kidding on the marriage proposal)

No problem -- I can always use a compliment.
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rodeman
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:12 am
Arnold's threatening to veto it.........................????
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:24 am
rodeman wrote:
Arnold's threatening to veto it.........................????


Probably afraid of the fallout when bodybuilders start marrying....
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:33 am
A great day for California and the Nation!
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:36 am
sfgate.com
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Focus now turns to Schwarzenegger.

"Schwarzenegger can't afford to sign the 'gay marriage license' bill," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, which helped lead the statewide battle against AB849. "He'll actually become a hero to the majority of Californians when he vetoes it. The Terminator should announce without delay that this bill is dead meat."

But Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, said the governor would be deciding his legacy when he decides whether to sign or veto the bill.

"He will determine whether he will be the first governor to do a little heavy lifting and support equality for all or whether he will become the first governor to terminate our rights," he said. "We know in his heart he wants to do the right thing." [/url]
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:42 am
Oh? I thought Schwarzenegger already said that he would sign a gay marriage law if the California Congress passed one. As I remember it, he said that in the context of San Francisco's issuing of marriage licenses to same sex couples. Something about how San Francisco cannot put itself above the law, but he would sign such a low if it comes to his desk. Is my memory betraying me?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 08:49 am
Article

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Opponents have promised to go to court if the bill becomes law, saying it violates the spirit of Proposition 22, a 2000 ballot initiative that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. They also say they will go to the polls next year with proposed constitutional amendments that would ban same-sex marriage.

"What about Prop. 22? What about the 62 percent of Californians who supported it? What about their will?" asked Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia (Los Angeles County). "If this legislation doesn't subvert the will of the people, I don't know what does."

Schwarzenegger's office has repeated that he believes the issue should be decided either by a vote of the people or a court decision. He has said he supports the state's current domestic partnership laws.

"The governor believes the people spoke with Prop. 22, and that is now in the courts," said Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson. "The governor believes that is where it belongs and will uphold any decisions the courts make."
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 09:00 am
Chrissee wrote:
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Schwarzenegger's office has repeated that he believes the issue should be decided either by a vote of the people or a court decision. He has said he supports the state's current domestic partnership laws.

Oh my. Rolling Eyes
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 09:01 am
One small step for homosexuals, one giant leap for homosapians. Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 09:06 am
Thats interesting. So now it IS the courts who are supposed to decide this? Werent conservatives earlier furious about "judicial activism" when a court did, going against the will of a legislature?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 09:14 am
nimh wrote:
Thats interesting. So now it IS the courts who are supposed to decide this? Werent conservatives earlier furious about "judicial activism" when a court did, going against the will of a legislature?

Yes. Obviously this must be the Kennedys' evil liberal influence.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 10:05 am
OK here is my analysis then, based on his stance. The people have spoken thru their reps. Ahnold must sign the bill. If the courts believe Prop 22 trumps it, they can do so. Prop 22 was voted on in 2000, a lot has happened in the last few years to change people's attitudes, as reflected in this vote.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 10:25 am
Unless there is some fixed rule somewhere in California's constitution (as in: "Congress shall pass no law conflicting with a plebiscite that is less than ten years old"), I agree with you Chrissee.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 12:01 pm
nimh wrote:
So now it IS the courts who are supposed to decide this?


see how they're gonna play the game ?

this is what they had planned all along. this way they can lob it back and forth and stall off the inevitable while declaring that it's not about gays and morals, it's about law, the constitution and states rights...

it's so reassuring to know that with all that's going on, these guys have their priorities straight, and are protecting everyone...

otherwise the gay police would be knocking the door down and dragging husbands away from their "one woman" and putting them in camps (the upside is the camps would have fabulous curb appeal) for reprogramming into "the life".

good grief Rolling Eyes
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2005 12:51 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Article

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Opponents have promised to go to court if the bill becomes law, saying it violates the spirit of Proposition 22, a 2000 ballot initiative that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. They also say they will go to the polls next year with proposed constitutional amendments that would ban same-sex marriage.

"What about Prop. 22? What about the 62 percent of Californians who supported it? What about their will?" asked Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia (Los Angeles County). "If this legislation doesn't subvert the will of the people, I don't know what does."

Schwarzenegger's office has repeated that he believes the issue should be decided either by a vote of the people or a court decision. He has said he supports the state's current domestic partnership laws.

"The governor believes the people spoke with Prop. 22, and that is now in the courts," said Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson. "The governor believes that is where it belongs and will uphold any decisions the courts make."


Apparently, the elected officials ignored the will of the people who put them in office. Special interest groups win and the vote of the people lose.
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