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War of The Worlds December 2024

 
 
Lash
 
Sat 14 Dec, 2024 03:26 pm
The level of bizarro world and mask-slippage that defines the US during the last few years is truly awe-inspiring.

Massive UFO sightings have entered the chat.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/14/who-is-behind-nj-drone-sightings/76991754007/

Drone sightings' prompt worries, but these theories could explain what's happening
Portrait of Jeanine Santucci Jeanine Santucci
USA TODAY

For the last month, New Jerseyans have reported odd lights in the sky at night, a rash of reported drone sightings that has attracted the attention of local residents, politicians and even President-elect Donald Trump.

Concerned witnesses have described clusters of lights, saying they look like drones hovering over populated areas around the state. Now, even as sightings have expanded to New York and Maryland, government officials haven’t been able to put people’s minds at ease.

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More at the link.

Why hasn’t the govt responded with investigation and an informative press conference?




 
hightor
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2024 03:49 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Why hasn’t the govt responded with investigation and an informative press conference?

What makes you think the sightings aren't being investigated?

What makes you think that, at this point, they have any material findings to report?

Why not wait before turning this into another instance which simply confirms your pre-existing opinions?
Lash
 
  -3  
Sat 14 Dec, 2024 06:04 pm
@hightor,
This **** has been going on for a month. The American public has waited long enough.
hightor
 
  3  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 05:17 am
@Lash,
Quote:
This **** has been going on for a month.

And so far nothing consequential has occurred.
Quote:
The American public has waited long enough.

Well I guess they're going to have to wait a bit longer. Big deal.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 05:50 am
@hightor,
Unidentified drones were reported in Germany already from August onward, (Bruensbuettel industrial area @ Kiel Canal, storage facility for nuclear waste nearby). And from that dates alarms were raised about Russian spying and "hybrid warfare", which intensified when drones were seen above US military bases, ammunition production site, etc.

I wonder, if Americans even know about it, not to mention "waited long enough".
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 07:11 am
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHKOkmO1e6whkYMmQcP3UO4M0FbYIERpwPpA&s

Remember when the doom merchants were confined to whatever street or corner they were on.

The good ol' days.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 07:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It is very likely some element of the US military.

Seems like motives likely include fear mongering as a pretext for some type of lockdown or additional infractions against public privacy /surveillance, some violent false flag attacks (maybe in conjunction with Trump’s Inauguration…), and something to blame on China, Iran, North Korea and the perennial favorite Deep State perpetrator: Russia.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 07:46 am
Weird.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4002374/joint-staff-addresses-drones-over-new-jersey-military-installations/
hightor
 
  2  
Sun 15 Dec, 2024 08:59 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Weird.

In what way? The absence of fear-mongering and the admission of ignorance?
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Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 10:00 am
In my upstate SC town, local sightings were reported. Although I didn’t see anything on those evenings, the next days the sky was an exaggerated, noticeable patchwork of thick white strips aka chemtrails.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 10:04 am
@Lash,
Drones and chemtrails.

That's a good one.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 10:12 am
For readers that encounter this site later, wanting to know what was happening during this time—I feel responsible to record facts about events.

Meanwhile, you and others are providing the phenomenon of concerted attack against the people providing information.

It gives a very good example of this human era.
hightor
 
  2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 12:07 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
For readers that encounter this site later, wanting to know what was happening during this time...

Ah, posterity – that's so selfless of you.
Quote:
I feel responsible to record facts about events.

And you do a great job of recording the misinterpretation of events. "Chemtrails" – wow, is there any conspiracy you haven't bought into?
Quote:
...the phenomenon of concerted attack against the people providing information.

You mean against those who peddle misinformation.
Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 02:46 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

You mean against those who peddle misinformation.


Lash wrote:
I’m very comfortable allowing history to determine who was peddling misinformation.


hightor
 
  4  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 04:12 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
I’m very comfortable allowing history to determine who was peddling misinformation.

Let's see, off the top of my head, in roughly chronolgical order:

• Seth Rich was murdered by agents loyal to Hillary Clinton.

• Untold numbers of people were killed by MRNA vaccines.

• The US had bio-weapons labs in Ukraine.

• Paul Pelosi was chummy with the person who cracked his skull with a hammer.

• Harris bought Winfrey's endorsement for close to a million dollars.

• There was a coup in Syria.

• Recent sightings of UAP are "mask-slippage' and represent a serious threat.


We could make a collection of your misstatements and prevarications, you know, for the benefit of readers who encounter this site later.












Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 06:08 pm
@hightor,
My god, you poor thing.
You don’t know that most of these are proven true already??
glitterbag
 
  1  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 07:01 pm
@Lash,
YOU poor thing, you actually believe the nonsense you print, tsk tsk tsk.
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hightor
 
  1  
Wed 18 Dec, 2024 08:46 pm
Put down the laser pointer, please, and then let’s chat

David French wrote:
On Monday afternoon, the F.B.I. office in Newark posted one of the most bizarre official statements I’ve ever read. It warned the public “against pointing lasers at manned aircraft” or attempting to shoot down suspected drones.

The reason for the post was obvious — hysteria over alleged drone sightings in New Jersey was leading people to take matters into their own hands, including by shining lasers into the eyes of pilots. And now the F.B.I. was worried that the public response could escalate even to the point of citizens grabbing guns from their homes to address a perceived aerial threat.

But was the aerial threat even real? It’s possible that the United States government or even foreign actors could be flying drones in a way that should trigger public suspicion, but it’s also becoming quite clear that an immense percentage of the so-called drone sightings in New Jersey and elsewhere are actually commercial and private aircraft, or even stars and planets.

The drone story is just one in a seemingly endless parade of false or misleading narratives that inflame public anger and deepen American division. For example, we just watched a number — a huge number — of Americans actually revel in the coldblooded killing of Brian Thompson, the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare. Their celebrations were driven not just by a broken moral compass, but also by a fundamental misunderstanding of the medical system that places far too much blame on insurance companies for Americans’ frustrations with the system as a whole.

The list goes on. In November, KFF (formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation) reported that more families are refusing childhood vaccines — another dangerous development that’s rooted in fabrications and falsehoods. Time and again, rumors are perceived as fact, and the social fabric tears a little more.

Not all the stories are equally important. Given the low likelihood of average citizens actually shooting down an airplane, the December drone panic is probably going to go down as a quirky artifact of history — far less consequential than vigilante violence or vaccine refusal. But it is a vivid example of exactly how the new media ecosystem works.

Why are we so frequently leaping from legitimate concerns — from healthy vigilance — to outrageous excess?

To better understand the collapse of trust of traditional American institutions and the rise of alternative voices, it’s necessary to distinguish between earned distrust and manufactured distrust. An institution earns a degree of distrust when it makes mistakes. When a news organization gets a story wrong — even if it’s promptly corrected — it tells consumers that it’s fallible. When public health authorities provide poor guidance, it breeds public suspicion.

There’s a cultural factor as well. Many Americans feel alienated from elite institutions. They don’t feel that their perspectives are heard or well represented in the American establishment, so they look elsewhere for information and understanding.

Manufactured distrust is different. That’s when new media amplifies, exaggerates or even fabricates the failings of the establishment. Those who traffic in manufactured distrust exploit earned distrust. They use the confusion caused by ordinary failings to create a sense of extraordinary crisis, but their argument isn’t “trust no one”; it’s “trust me.” And often they’re not worthy of your trust.

I know there is nothing new about establishment failures and bad actors contributing to confusion. American history is replete with examples of public hysteria and wild conspiracy theories.

I’m old enough to remember the satanic panic of the 1980s, when a remarkable number of people believed that there was widespread ritual abuse of children in American day care. The Spanish-American War began in part because newspapers pushed unproven speculation that Spain had blown up the battleship Maine while it lay at anchor in Havana. The Texas declaration of secession in 1861 contains the remarkable claim that abolitionists had distributed poison to enslaved Texans to use to “bring blood and carnage to our firesides.”

It’s hard, however, to avoid the conclusion that the pace of public hysteria has accelerated, often to the point where it seems that a substantial portion of our national conversation is dedicated to debunking disinformation.

Let’s turn back to the drone panic to see the process at work. First, we can see the earned distrust, the failure of institutions to do their job effectively. Politicians helped spread disinformation, including people who are otherwise credible.

Larry Hogan, the former governor of Maryland, shared a video of “drones” that turned out to include stars in the constellation Orion. An ABC affiliate in New York zoomed in on a possible drone in New Jersey that a number of observers immediately identified as the planet Venus. Senator Andy Kim of New Jersey posted a thread on X describing his own experience watching drones and then, the next day, posted, “After more analysis and help from civilian pilots/experts and flight data, I’ve concluded the possible drone sightings pointed out to me were almost certainly planes.”

These are seemingly good-faith mistakes (or perhaps politicians trying on populist clothes) but even good-faith mistakes can damage trust and contribute to the sense that the authorities are either dishonest or incompetent.

That’s where manufactured distrust comes into play. In the online world, there is rarely any such thing as a good-faith mistake. Instead, the message from alternative media is relentless — “They” hate you. “They” are lying to you. “They” have an agenda. This is one reason it’s so hard to fact-check conspiracies. The rebuttals are often coming from the same institutions that so many Americans have been told to hate.

The sad reality is that many of these alternative media sources are often maliciously dishonest or — even if they are acting in good faith — don’t show the slightest regard for basic journalistic principles.

The New Jersey drone story took a particularly ominous turn when Joe Rogan, arguably the king of alternative media, shared a video on X that he said was the “first video about these drones that has got me genuinely concerned.” Rogan’s post has 22 million views. The video has more than 30 million views on X alone.

And if you watch it and take it at face value, you should be genuinely concerned. It features a man named John Ferguson, the chief executive of a drone manufacturer in Wichita, Kan. So automatically you’re interested. A drone manufacturer would seem to understand what’s happening in the skies more than the average bear, right?

Well, not necessarily. The core of the video is a claim that roughly 80 Soviet nuclear warheads went missing in Ukraine at the end of the Cold War and that an unidentified person had actually seen and touched the warhead (“he physically put his hands” on it, Ferguson said), and he knew it was heading to the United States. That person had supposedly tried to raise a warning at the highest levels of the American government.

Ferguson also argues that “everyone knows that the United States government, this administration, is pushing to get into a war with Russia.”

“If they are our drones,” he concludes, “the only reason why they would be flying, and flying that low, is because they’re trying to smell something on the ground. That’s it.” In other words, these drones might be looking for the radiation signature of a rogue nuclear weapon.

It’s one thing to misidentify Venus. It’s another thing entirely to create a nuclear alarm over random sightings of lights in the sky. A responsible public figure would not retweet that video — not without debunking it or providing substantial evidence to support it. Yet Rogan used his immense public platform to toss it into the public conversation.

Do Ferguson’s claims hold up? My friend Jim Geraghty, with whom I worked at National Review, published a thorough analysis of the video, and the problems begin immediately. As Geraghty writes, “There has never been any serious evidence of any lost or loose nuclear weapons during the transfer of Ukraine’s nuclear arsenal to Russia.”

The idea that President Biden is spoiling for war with Russia is news to the Ukrainians. They’ve been begging America to increase the pace and scope of weapons deliveries, and they’ve begged Biden for permission to use American weapons on Russian soil. Biden deserves credit for supporting Ukraine, but American support has often been too small and too slow.

And who is this unnamed person who allegedly put his hands on a lost Soviet warhead? Can we speak to him?

Ferguson may be right about the utility of drones for sweeping in search of telltale signs of nuclear radiation, but he provided us with no reason to believe his story. In fact, there are many (obvious!) reasons to be skeptical. His premise is wrong. His source is unidentified.

And is this how the federal government would search for a rogue nuke? With a small number of drones flying at night? After all, as Geraghty points out, “The U.S. government has a Nuclear Emergency Support Team, and they roll out for any large event.”

It is possible that there are drones in the air searching for dangerous objects. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and while Ferguson’s video doesn’t lack extraordinary claims, it lacks evidence, much less extraordinary evidence.

In a famous speech he gave in 1838 to the Young Men’s Lyceum in Springfield, Ill., Abraham Lincoln argued that our national demise “cannot come from abroad.” Our nation is too strong, too large, and too distant from the great powers to fall by conquest. “If destruction be our lot,” he said, “we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

He spoke those words before the Civil War — before even the violent prelude to the Civil War. During Lincoln’s lifetime, we did our best to commit national suicide through a great conflict over the most consequential moral issue in our nation’s history.

But I’m concerned now that we’re in danger of something quite different. We’re not dividing over profound questions of humanity, dignity and liberty but in large part as a result of a series of absurd disputes and bizarre beliefs. We’re not facing a single cataclysmic conflict, but rather a steady degradation of national confidence and solidarity.

As our deep distrust makes us more gullible, we’re harming ourselves slowly but surely, one poison post at a time.

nyt
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 19 Dec, 2024 07:28 am
@hightor,
How to Make the Drone Panic So Very Much Worse
Zeynep Tufekci wrote:
In 1954, a few people in the town of Bellingham, Wash., reported seeing pits and dings on their windshields — perhaps the work of vandals. Roadblocks were quickly set up. This became front-page news in nearby Seattle, prompting people to rush to check their own windshields. Thousands then reported that they, too, had mysterious dings, in an ever-widening area from Seattle to Vancouver, British Columbia.

Panic quickly spread. People speculated that the cause might be cosmic rays, a radio transmitter in a nearby naval base, fallout from H-bomb tests or sand-flea eggs hatching in windshields. The mayor of Seattle begged for help from the governor and the White House. Motorists began stopping police cars to add their name to the list of the affected. Scientists were called in, Geiger counters whipped out.

The mysterious windshield pits of 1954 turned out not to be the result of vandals, aliens, radioactivity or sand fleas, but were instead the domain of mass human psychology. Examinations revealed that these were mundane, long-present imperfections, everyday wear and tear. It’s just that no one had bothered to notice them before, because who studies his windshield that closely?

A similar dynamic is playing out right now under the New Jersey sky. Dozens, maybe hundreds, of drone sightings have sent people in the area and far beyond into a state of high alarm.

The weak and ineffective response of government authorities should serve as a lesson in exactly how not to handle such incidents in the digital age.

Frustrated by a lack of clear information, citizen sleuths have been pointing lasers at unidentified objects in the sky, something the F.B.I. has taken to begging people not to do. Joe Rogan amplified a theory that it all had something to do with a radioactive leak. Senator Charles Schumer said new technology was needed to help local law enforcement find out “what the heck is going on.”

A former Maryland governor, Larry Hogan, shared a video of what he said “appeared to be dozens of large drones in the sky above my residence,” and denounced the “lack of transparency and the dismissive attitude of the federal government.” Donald Trump, canceling a trip to his New Jersey golf course, said the “government knows what is happening.” It sounded ominous.

All this speculation and innuendo is particularly infuriating because many of the facts of this mystery aren’t mysterious at all.

We don’t yet know what prompted the initial reports of drone sightings. Many were near a military base, raising the possibility that the unidentified objects belonged to the U.S. — or to someone else, even a hostile nation, that was trying to get an unauthorized look. That’s a very important distinction, to be sure. But the supposedly numberless swarms of drones that have since been spotted everywhere anyone looks are a different story.

Experts have been pulling their hair out trying to explain that they aren’t a cause for alarm, they’re the result of it. Because those unidentified objects are planes. Airplanes. Landing and taking off at Newark, one of the busiest airports in the country. Or they’re hobby drones that other amateur sleuths have sent up to get a glimpse of the phenomenon. Or they’re celestial bodies. Atmospheric scientists took a look at the lights that Hogan had spotted and quickly identified them as stars in the Orion constellation.

People find the simple explanation hard to believe for the same reason that people in Seattle did in 1954: because they had never before bothered to look that closely.

It’s fun to scare yourself sometimes, or to be a part of a massive multiplayer puzzle-solving effort evolving in real time. But things get un-fun very fast in this arena. Recklessly using lasers may well cause a real tragedy, including potentially downing an airplane with hundreds of people aboard. But why leave it to chance? Some politicians are already pushing for authority to pre-emptively shoot these objects out of the sky. How long before civilians decide to take a shot at some lights above that they misidentify as a drone?

Mass public panic requires an early and robust response from the authorities. Anything vague or mealy-mouthed just stokes the fire, and weakens people’s already thin trust in the government. The more our leaders panic, the more that people tune them out and become cynical, and the harder it becomes to get the public’s attention about the things that truly are alarming. Just look at what happened with Covid.

And though that’s always been true, it is especially so in the digital age. In the Seattle windshield panic, mainstream media outlets amplified people’s panic. In the internet age, ordinary people can perform that service, whether because they believe they have some crucial information to share or just because they want attention or engagement.

So what should the authorities have done? Aviation enthusiasts and atmospheric scientists have already been mapping reported sightings to existing planes or constellations. The authorities could compile a quick database with dozens — maybe even hundreds — of these incidents, and make it available to the public, along with the refutations that they check and verify. That would be a big start.

Federal authorities — Homeland Security, the F.B.I., the White House, intelligence agencies — should have quickly responded with clarity, starting with reaching out to panicked politicians. Finally, on Tuesday, members of the House Intelligence Committee got a classified briefing on the topic. At this point, the public should also be told at least some of the details. Apart from all this, unauthorized drones are a problem, and there does need to be better regulation and technology to deal with them. Let’s hear about that, then, rather than this mindless dangerous panic.

Politicians from both parties — House Intelligence Committee, looking at you — should hold a news conference and transparently discuss the details of what’s known, and to admit to whatever real issues there may be, preferably today, before a real tragedy occurs.

Until then, we have people like State Senator Doug Mastriano of Pennsylvania claiming that “it is inconceivable that the federal government has no answers nor has taken any action to get to the bottom of the unidentified drones.” Accompanying that statement, he posted a photo of a “crashed drone” being taken to “an undisclosed location for further investigation.” The item in question was a clearly recognizable TIE fighter from the movie “Star Wars.” He later said it was a joke.

Not my favorite, to be honest, but I tell you what, America: If Darth Vader shows up in New Jersey on an Imperial fleet vehicle, I will at last join you in panic.


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engineer
 
  4  
Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:44 pm
Has anyone thought to ask why aliens would care about New Jersey? If I'm a boss alien working the Earth project, I sure as hell am not going to spend all my resources in the Garden State. Maybe I would check out the population centers in Asia or the war zones in Europe and the Middle East. Perhaps the cool geographic features in the Himalayas or the volcanos in the Pacific. Study the diversity of life in Africa or South America or if I'm of a military mind, I might buzz the world's military bases. Of course, I might pass through New Jersey while mapping out the planet, but no way I'm going to spend all my time and resources in a place that is not particularly remarkable given the entire planet to explore. To believe that aliens are behind the sightings in NJ is to believe in both mystical thinking and our own outsized importance.
 

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