Media Bias on the Israel - Hamas Hezbollah conflict

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Contributor “ghuriani” wrote:

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[...] Israel kills more than 500,000 ineffective people and 18,000 children, and destroys hospitals and schools [...], at:
https://able2know.org/topic/587809-1

At my invitation he provided links allegedly in support of his claims, as follows:

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-168

The above webpage is for “OCHA” (“United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs”).

The United Nations and its subsidiaries of which the above is one, is biased against Israel. In the U.N. General Assembly the Palestinian Arabs start-off in votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favor of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation” and follow its policies when voting in the U.N.), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel’s one vote.
Security Council resolutions passed against Israel are typically during the tenure of U.S. Democratic Party Presidents who decide not to use their veto to protect Israel from unjust resolutions.

I have to question from where the information on the OCHA webpage comes, if not from the U.N.’s allies, the Palestinian Arabs.

The following is what Israel has to say about the OCHA:

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OCHA-OPT's reporting relies heavily on Palestinian sources, yet that fact is only partly transparent to the readers of its reports. Through the UN-led "cluster system" OCHA collects information from dozens if not hundreds of Palestinian NGOs, PA and Hamas ministries and local authorities, all eventually published on various UN platforms and cited extensively as UN-approved information. While OCHA claims to vet and "triangulate" the information it receives, those processes are entirely devoid of transparency and do not address the potential for conflict of interest with regard to many of its sources. Furthermore, OCHA-OPT does not ask the Israeli authorities to comment on the information received from Palestinian sources in order to get the full picture on reported events and policies. In the two decades of its operations in the Israeli-Palestinian context, OCHA-OPT has not developed any capability to collect and verify information on attacks against Israelis from Israeli first-responders or official authorities. This entirely one-sided and untransparent mechanism raises serious doubts about the independence, impartiality and reliability of OCHA-OPT's reporting.

Source:
https://govextra.gov.il/mda/ocha/ocha/

The BBC [British Broadcasting Corporation] webpages linked by contributor “ghuriani”:

https://www.bbc.com/persian/articles/cj4d8lx7p9qo
(The above webpage the contributor linked, is in Farsi which I do not speak.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crggq0jygq6o

Regarding the above webpages linked by the contributor, the "Asserson Report" details BBC bias against Israel:

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[Heading:] "The Asserson Report – The Israel-Hamas war and the BBC"

[Extract:] 'This comprehensive report, covering the period from October 7, 2023, to February 7, 2024, scrutinises BBC content in both English and Arabic, revealing a consistent pattern of bias that may undermine its status as a trusted news source. [...]'

Webpage with links for the PDF report:
https://asserson.co.uk/assersonreport/

The other webpages linked by the contributor:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-6-6-2024-3d07e712f8abc1e08339163180823fb8

And:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/israel-gaza-war-idf-strike-un-school-al-nuseirat-death-toll-hamas

And:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/6/israels-war-on-gaza-live-relentless-israeli-strikes-kill-102-palestinians

Aljazeera is biased Media; it is biased against Israel. It is a Qatar TV network partly funded by the government of Qatar which is a major financial backer of Hamas:
See further:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210110109/qatar-israel-gaza-hamas-war

The above webpages linked by contributor “ghuriani” are to Media reports accusing Israel of targeting “schools”.
In the U.K. during election time, it is normal to use schools as polling stations. When the schools are being used as polling stations they are typically not used as schools. During elections these school-buildings are referred to in the Media as: “polling stations”; not as “schools”.
However, during Israel’s war of deterrence and defense against its enemies, the Media typically describes school-buildings being used as shelters, as: “schools”!

Israel strikes combatents who are taking advantage of civilian-shelters, combatents who are using civilians as human sheilds.

I also searched in vain for the 500,000 and the 18,000 figures quoted by contributor “ghuriani” at all of the webpages he linked (except for the webpage in Farsi).

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@Robert111333,

Slight correction at the end of my previous post:
I also searched in vain for the 500,000 and the 18,000 figures quoted by contributor “ghuriani” at all of the webpages he linked (except for the webpage in Farsi, which I cannot search, as it is in Farsi).

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@Robert111333,

The Book of Jubilees Chapter 8: When Noah divided the Land among his three sons, Shem received the middle portion, from the delta of the river of Egypt, north to Lebanon and east to India, while Ham received the land of Africa to the south, and Japheth received the land to the north of Lebanon, which according to the book of Jubilees 8: 30; It is said that the Land of Japheth included the five great islands and a great land in the north. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is Hot, and the land of Shem (The middle son) is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.
The sons of Noah then divided their portion of land among their sons, and it is written in Jubilees 9: 14; “And thus the sons of Noah divided unto their sons in the presence of Noah their father, and he bound them all by an oath, imprecating a curse on everyone who sought to seize the portion that had not fallen to him by lot. And they all said, ‘So be it; so be it,’ for themselves and for their sons forever throughout their generations til the day of judgement, etc.”
Then in chapter 10: 29; we read; “And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river Egypt, that it was very good, and he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (That is to) the sea, and he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, eastward and westward from the border of the Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham his father, and Cush and Mizraim, his brothers said unto him: ‘Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, and which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, thou and thy sons will fall in the land and be accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled; and by sedition will thy children fall, and thou shalt be rooted out forever, etc.

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After decades of persecution, apartheid and now genocide of the Palestinian people, Israel should be a pariah state like North Korea.

The only thing stopping that from happening is a mixture of American neo imperialism and collective western guilt.

Any right minded person would be biased against Israel.

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@izzythepush,

Contributor "izzythepush" wrote:

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[...] persecution, apartheid and now genocide of the Palestinian people [...]

For all of the above, there is zero evidence.

How to recognize Palestinian Arab Falsehood-Propaganda:

False-claims / false accusations / conspiracy theories against: “Israel” / the “Jews” / “Zionists”, often as stock-phrases, insulting the reader’s intelligence by being provided with:
No detail(s), no objective-sources; zero evidence.

When are falsehoods (often alleged as “criticism”) against Jews/Israel, typically due to anti-Semitism?:
UNSUBSTANTIATED-allegations that insult the reader’s intelligence, by being typically-alleged, with:
No detail(s), no objective-sources; zero evidence.

Falsehoods against Jews/Israel, typically characterized by a failure to accept internationally-accepted history, or purporting a revisionist history of the dispute over the land of Israel.

Contributor "izzythepush" wrote:

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[...] the Palestinian people [...]

The "Palestinian" Arabs (aka, since 1964 misleadingly: "Palestinians, the") are Arab, with both Jews and Arabs having been known as "Palestinian" under the British Mandate.

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The Palestinians are those Arab nationals [...]

Source:
The Amended Palestinian National Charter (1968) - English, Article 5:
http://ecf.org.il/media_items/677

The “Palestinian Arabs” dropped the name “Arab” so you should not understand they mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during the British Mandate, to take advantage of higher wages through Jewish returnee-exiles - See “Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:
https://richardmatherblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/<br />

When was the "Palestinian people" created?

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When was the “Palestinian people” actually created? Simply using the Google Ngram Viewer* provides the answer.

Ngram is a database that charts the frequency that a given phrase appears in books published between the years 1500 to 2008. When a user enters the word phrases “Palestinian people” and “Palestinian state” into the Ngram search bar, he discovers that they began appearing only in 1960**.

Footnotes:

* Google Ngram Viewer:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/info

** Google Books Ngram Viewer - search criteria:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=palestinian+people&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%253B%252Cpalestinian%2520people%253B%252Cc0

Extract source:<br /> [url]https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11401/palestinian-people[/url]

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@Robert111333,

There is plenty of evidence.

As I have already pointed out, the only 'evidence' you accept is that which confirms your existing prejudices.

Nobody is interested in your own idiosyncratic definitions of truth and evidence because the even Carrol's Mad Hatter is more consistent and makes more sense.

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@The Anointed,

I am unable to match the text for the "Book of Jubilees" chapter 8 or 10, as quoted by contributor "The Anointed", with the text for the "Book of Jubilees" available on the Internet:
https://www.sefaria.org/Book_of_Jubilees.8.17?lang=bi

Wikipedia states about the "Book of Jubilees" as follows:

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The Book of Jubilees[a] is an ancient Jewish apocryphal text of 50 chapters (1341 verses), considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, as well as by Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews). Jubilees is considered one of the pseudepigrapha by the Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant churches.[1] Apart from the Beta Israel community, the book is not considered canonical within any of the denominations of Judaism.

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees

Contributor "The Anointed" has not explained the point which he seeks to make with his post.

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@izzythepush,

Contributor "izzythepush" wrote:

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the only 'evidence' you accept is that which confirms your existing prejudices. Nobody is interested in your own idiosyncratic definitions of truth and evidence [...]

All of that with zero evidence (again) that any of it applies to my posts.

I accept as evidence, internationally accepted history, and reports from objective sources.

Perhaps the following may be of some assistance to the general reader:
What are what I will refer to as "Pro-Palestinian Arab Mouthpiece Propaganda Comfort-websites"?

Pro-Palestinian Arab “propaganda-comfort-websites” are where pro-Palestinians, Palestinian Arabs, anti-Semites, and Neo Nazis, typically go, for the comfort of having their anti-Semitic falsehoods against Israel and their revisionist-history, reinforced by false non-verifiable propaganda.

Here “Comfort” means reinforcing unverifiable and prejudiced-opinion or mass-produced propaganda, within a comfort-zone that avoids:
Factual-information supported by objective-sources.

Palestinian Arab “propaganda-comfort websites” being by their very nature, Not-objective, their content is likely to be both Unverifiable, and Untrustworthy.

Why do the anti-Semitic supporters of the Palestinian Arabs assert against Israel falsehood-opinion devoid of any objective-evidence, as “fact”?
Because they assume the reader will likely be anti-Semitic, and thus Willing to accept what they say while Unwilling to demand objective-verification.

Contributor "izzythepush" wrote (here) on Wed 9 Oct, 2024 05:33 am:

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[...] persecution, apartheid and now genocide of the Palestinian people [...]

Alleged by the contributor likewise devoid of any objective-evidence in support.

Contributor "izzythepush" also wrote:

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There is plenty of evidence.

I therefore invite him to provide it.

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@Robert111333,

Robert111333 wrote:

"The Anointed" has not explained the point which he seeks to make with his post.

That's about par for the course.

Btw, your use of contributor is redundant.

AND IF YOU USE THE QUOTE AND REPLY TO TOPIC BUTTONS IT WILL MAKE YOUR POSTS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

This is a forum with long established protocol, your own idiosyncratic, archaic form of conversation is a distraction and causes confusion.

Everybody else seems to manage alright.

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@Robert111333,

You've provided plenty of evidence yourself.

People on A2K aren't stupid (for the most part,) they can see for themselves.

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@izzythepush,

Contributor "izzythepush" wrote:

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your use of contributor is redundant.
AND IF YOU USE THE QUOTE AND REPLY TO TOPIC BUTTONS IT WILL MAKE YOUR POSTS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. This is a forum with long established protocol, your own idiosyncratic, archaic form of conversation is a distraction and causes confusion.

I do not see that the contributor's complains about my posts, can be applied to them. It is also not unusual for those who find that they are unable to debate to their own satisfaction, and also lacking in argument, then resort to seeking to make the matter personal.

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@Robert111333,

You really are living in an alternate reality.

That post was trying to help, but if you want people to continue making snide remarks about your presentation go ahead.

Btw, I've shown youmfor what you are, and I've avoided ad hominems.

You have wriggled about like a worm on a hook trying to defend your blatant inconsistency and cowardice.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

your blatant inconsistency and cowardice.

And before you cry ad hom, you won't challenge Lash, and your mealy mouthed excuses are invalid, that's cowardice.

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