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Why it would be Un-Islamic for Muslims to oppose Israel’s right to exist

 
 
Sat 28 Sep, 2024 08:36 am
The dispute over the land of Israel is not due to religion, but rather to the “Palestinian” Arab “Palestinian” Arab territorial ambitions, and their ethnic-hatred of Jews.

The following is why it would be Un-Islamic for Muslims to oppose Israel’s right to exist:

The right of the Jewish people to their ancestral homeland of Israel is recognised in the noble Quran. There are references within the Quran to the Jewish Scriptures (aka “Old” Testament), being connections usually overlooked by Muslims because Muslims do not recognise nor study those Scriptures.

The “Palestinian” Arabs (and their anti-Semitic supporters) are obliged to claim propaganda-fantasy that both falsely-denies the Judah heritage of the Jewish people (“Jew”=citizen of “Judah” - Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion), and also falsely-claims the “Palestinian” Arabs are descendants of Jews. This is to dishonestly evade the noble Quran’s recognition that the Land of Israel is given by Allah / God to the Jewish people (noble Quran: Sura “Al-Maaida” 5:21).

The reason for such propaganda is to perpetrate a hoax that Jewish Israelis are foreign invaders, as an attempt to justify stealing the land from its indigenous Jews.

Note:
Obviously there is room here only for quoting the relevant verses. Regarding those who automatically claim I have quoted “out of context”, the reader should be aware that there is nothing contraditory within the “context”. If there were, they would be able to explain how the context changes one’s understanding of the quoted verses.

Referring to the Bible where it talks about the Jewish people being given the land of Canaan by Allah / God, the noble Quran recognizes that the Land of Israel is given by Allah / God to the Jewish people, saying:
Quote:
Sura (chapter) “Al-Maaida” [“The Table” or “The Table Spread with Food”] 5:21:

“O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you,
and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.”

Extract translation source:
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=2&mac=


The context from which the extract from the Quran is taken supports that recognition (for example, the previous verse 20 mentions Moses); and if someone alleges that it does not, then the reader should expect them to be able to explain that !

Where the noble Quran recognises (“Al-Maaida” 5:21) that the land of Israel is given by Allah / God to the Children of Israel (Jews), the Quran is referring to the Jewish Scriptures (aka “Old” Testament) - IN WHICH the Covenant between Allah / God and the Children of Israel, IS Everlasting.

In recent times Muslims have been inaccurately-taught that the Jewish Scriptures are “corrupted”, causing them to ignore it. The Arabic word “tahrif” used in the noble Quran has in recent times been interpreted to mean “corrupt”, but means either: “alteration” or “misinterpretation”, and past Islamic scholars translated it to mean rather: “misinterpretation”:
http://www.judaism-islam.com/islam-teaches-torah-is-corrupted-tahrif-but-what-does-that-mean/


The Jewish Temple built at the Temple Mount / Haram al-Sharif, is mentioned in the noble Quran, and is also described by it as a “Masjid” meaning “Mosque”:
Quote:
Surah Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) 17:1:

“Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.”

Extract translation source:
https://quran.com/17


In Surah Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) 17, the Islamic Prophet Muhammad was miraculously transported overnight, from the “Al-Masjid al-Haram” (the Sacred Mosque) in the vicinity of the Ka’ba Mecca, to the “Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ” (the Farthest Mosque) identified in Islamic teaching as the “Haram al-Sharif” / “Temple Mount” Jerusalem.

However, during the Islamic Prophet’s lifetime there was NO mosque in Jerusalem, as the Islamic conquest of Jerusalem did not take place until 637 CE / 16 AH, which was after the Islamic Prophet’s death in 632 CE / 11 AH.

Therefore the “Masjid” at the “Al–Masjid-al–Aqsâ” (“the Farthest Mosque”) to which the above verse refers, can only be the Jewish Temple:
Quote:
In “The Glorious Qurán: Translation and Commentary”, Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his commentary for Surah Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) 17:1, says at footnote 2168:
“The Farthest Mosque must refer to the site of the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem on the hill of Moriah, [...]”

Original extract source:
https://books.google.co.th/books?id=pmpSs_n3dNEC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=Abdullah+Yusuf+Ali+AND+the+Night+Journey+AND+2168&source=bl&ots=jhLW_EPA_l&sig=yGKnu4XGMeN4s51tM4dw6I8WHJQ&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Abdullah%20Yusuf%20Ali%20AND%20the%20Night%20Journey%20AND%202168&f=false



The reader can view a simulation of King Solomon’s Temple, (King of the Jewish Kingdom of Israel), here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiF-wObznds


The noble Quran also mentions kings of Israel - examples:

Quote:
Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:247:
Imam Iskender Ali Mihr:

“And their Prophet said to them: “Surely Allah has raised Tâlût (Saul) to be a king over you”. They said: “How can he hold kingship over us while we are fitter than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth”. (The prophet): “Verily, Allah has chosen him above you and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique (strength) and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He wills”. And Allah is All-Embracing (His knowledge and Mercy includes everything), All-Knowing.”

Translation extract source:
http://en.noblequran.org/quran/surah-al-baqarah/ayat-247/


Quote:
Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:251:
Imam Iskender Ali Mihr:

“So they routed them by Allah’s Leave and David (Dâvûd) killed Goliath and Allah gave him (David) the kingdom (after the death of Saul) and the Wisdom, and taught him of that which He willed. And were it not for Allah’s repelling some men with others, the earth would indeed be full of mischief but Allah is full of Virtues upon the worlds.”

Extract translation source:
http://en.noblequran.org/quran/surah-al-baqarah/ayat-251/


Quote:
Surah Saad [“Saad” is the name of the eighteenth letter of the Arabic alphabet]:
38:30:

“And We bestowed on David, his son Solomon. How excellent servant! Surely he was Evvâb (He had reached Allah).”

Extract translation source:
http://en.noblequran.org/quran/surah-sad/


Quote:
[38. Surah Saad continued:]
38:34-40:

“(34) And certainly We tried Solomon, and We made him reach on his throne as a (mere) body, then he turned (departed).
(35) He said: “My Lord! Forgive me and bestow upon me a dominion which cannot be attained by anyone else after me. Verily, you are All-Forgiving.
(36) Upon that We made the wind subservient to him. By his command, it would go where ever he desired blowing gently.
(37) And also all the devils that they are the builders and divers.
(38) And the others (too) fettered in chains (given to his command).
(39) These are Our gifts. So bestow freely or withhold, without reckoning.
(40) And most surely he has a high rank in Our Presence and an excellent refuge (resort).”

Extract translation source:
http://en.noblequran.org/quran/surah-sad/


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hightor
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2024 08:59 am
@Robert111333,
Is it really a good idea to rely on the "revealed scripture" of contending parties to establish national boundaries?
Robert111333
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2024 11:11 am
@hightor,
Thanks "hightor" for your response.

The "idea" of the information provided, is to establish that it would be Un-Islamic for Muslims to oppose Israel's right to exist. More specifically, Un-Islamic to oppose the Jewish people's right to self-determination within their ancestral-homeland of Israel.

How can we know what the ancestral-homeland of the Jewish people is?:

Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland. Internationally-recognized history shows that the last indigenous sovereign state in the land of Israel (Roman-imposed name “Palestine”), prior to the RE-establishment of Israel in 1948, was the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom. It included the: “West Bank”, Gaza, and Golan Heights. Capital (what is now “EAST”) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH - Map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpg

Coins from the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_coinage

hightor
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2024 01:21 pm
@Robert111333,
I think there should be a statute of limitations on making "ancestral homeland" claims. Citing scripture is not disinterested and not exactly the same as empirical evidence. Archaeological discoveries are usually pretty limited in scope; they might indicate that a certain civilization had occupied an area but many societies rose and fell over millennia; how are we to determine which society is the rightful inheritor of the territory they abandoned or lost thousands of years ago. Why not just say that a contemporary governing body, the United Nations in this case, has authorized the resettlement of people in a particular territory rather than making appeals to mythology?

Sure, it might be "un-Islamic" for Muslims to oppose Israel’s right to exist but that's still basing an argument on appeals to sentiment rather than current law.
Robert111333
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2024 03:55 pm
@hightor,
Thank you "hightor" for your reply.

If the reader cares to look at the link I provided in my previous post for the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom, they can see that this kingdom is not only accepted as a matter of international history, but post-dates the Bible; so no, I was not citing Scripture.

The Jewish people are the indigenous people of the land, while the Palestinian Arabs came to the land later.

Quote:
'[...] most Arabs in British Mandate Palestine were migrant workers and descendants of the 1832-1947 wave of Arab/Muslim immigration from Egypt, the Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, North Africa, Bosnia, India, Afghanistan, etc. While the British Mandate encouraged Arab immigration, it blocked Jewish immigration.'

Extract source:
http://theettingerreport.com/arab-migration-shaped-palestinian-society/


84 of 100 of the highest incidence Palestinian surnames (Palestine region in 2004), had highest incidence outside that region:
My extract source document - information source: “forebears.io":
“Country Origin of Palestinian Arab Surnames upd.pdf":
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9d115bv6w4z4kzb/Country+Origin+of+Palestinian+Arab+Surnames+upd.pdf/file

Contributor "hightor" also wrote:
Quote:
'[...] how are we to determine which society is the rightful inheritor of the territory they abandoned or lost thousands of years ago. [...]'


We can determine which people is the rightful inheritor of such a territory by examining if that people had previous sovereign states in the land accepted by international history, as shown above.

The post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom was ruled by the priestly family of Hasmoneans:
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Hasmonean-dynasty

He also wrote:
Quote:
Why not just say that a contemporary governing body, the United Nations in this case, has authorized the resettlement of people in a particular territory


While the United Nations did pass resolution 181 to partition "Palestine" into Jewish and Arab areas, and this was accepted by the then Palestinian Jewish Community, it takes both sides to form an agreement. The U.N. Partition Plan was rejected by the Palestinian Arabs who commenced a civil war 1947 to 1948 to take ALL the land, but the Arabs lost the war.
Having pointed that out, it is my view that the U.N. has no right either moral or legal, to dispose of the ancestral-homeland of the Jewish people, whose right to it is inalienable.

He also wrote:
Quote:
'[...] it might be "un-Islamic" for Muslims to oppose Israel’s right to exist but that's still basing an argument on appeals to sentiment [...]'

The reader can see from my first post here, that I did not make any appeal to "sentiment", but rather provided quotes from the noble Quran which recognizes the Jewish people's connection to the land of Israel. It recognizes for example, three important kings of Israel: King Saul, King David, King Solomon. That refers to a Jewish sovereign state in the land much earlier even than the Hasmonean Kingdom, namely the Kingdom of Israel.
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jespah
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2024 05:28 pm
Here's why this argument doesn't work.

People cherry pick religious texts all the time. The crowd who scream about "teh gays" won't listen if you tell them that they can sell their kid into slavery or shouldn't mix cotton and wool, according to those very same texts.

They only care about what they think will push their agenda, and I have zero reason to believe that Muslim folks are any different.

Religious texts are inconsistent, based on ancient beliefs, unscientific, and have been superseded by law nearly everywhere. They are not a good basis for any sort of argument, and they can boomerang back into a bunch of bad arguments.

After all, if you rely on the Koran for one thing, you'll end up relying on it for issues such as whether women should be able to do much more beyond cook and clean and push out babies.
Robert111333
 
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Sun 29 Sep, 2024 04:18 am
@jespah,
Thank you "Jespah" for your reply.

I am aware that religious texts do not impress all people. My post is directed at Muslims, for whom the noble Quran is holy.

Contributor Jespah wrote:
"People cherry pick [...]":
I dealt with "cherry picking" in my post where I refer to those who tend to automatically respond by asserting quotes are taken out of context. As I have said in the post, the context does not contradict the import of the quotes I have used. Therefore only if my quotes are contradicted by the context (which they are not) would I be "cherry picking" / in other words taking out of context.

The contributor also wrote:
"They only care about what they think will push their agenda [...]":
In my post I do explain its purpose, which is to demonstrate to Muslims that the Quran recognizes the Jewish people's connection to the land of Israel; that is the "agenda", as clearly explained in the post.
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