A new low...even for liberal anti-war protesters

You see how easy it is to get off point! You started talking about how crass it was for the anti-war crowd to picket outside the facility treating the wounded. Now you talking about Arnold.

In defense of the anti-war crowd, no one else seems to give a damn about our wounded. They don't talk about them on Rush or Hannity because talking about them would call attention to them.

Attention focused on them might be hard to take since many of them have lost arms and legs or had the skin burned off their bodies. Grotesque reminders of the cost of war.

I am sure that many of you contributing your opinions to this forum have never seen a wounded veteran. You've never seen a dead soldier or lost a close friend in war. I don't say this diminishes your right to opine, but it may in fact narrow your field of experience and hence leave you with less than all the information you need to weigh the cost of war.

I am a veteran. I volunteered. It's easy to criticize people who believe the war is a lie sitting behind a comfortable desk, it's harder to stand up and be counted. Anyone who believes that the anti-war protestors are wrong about this war and believe we should be fighting in Iraq, should not be contributing here, but should be at the enlistment center putting your ass where your mouths is.

Nevertheless, she/he/it makes a valid point.

Rubber, plastic, bean bags and lead. Thats what the bullets are made out of at a Protest. Tasers, tear gas, german sheperds, billy clubs and horses. One slip by us and were toast and everyone wants to see it. Were americans with balls. We believe whats going on in our country right now deserves more the words. Were trying to bring attention to the policies of the administration that have brought us to were we are at, thats it. Americans are at the front in Iraq and were at the front here. Have you ever seen someones face after a beanbag shotgun shell hit them in the face? I have. They ain't showing that on the news. We could us some support but then so could our kid in the dessert. The rest is bu****it.

Amigo wrote:

Rubber, plastic, bean bags and lead. Thats what the bullets are made out of at a Protest. Tasers, tear gas, german sheperds, billy clubs and horses. One slip by us and were toast and everyone wants to see it. Were americans with balls. We believe whats going on in our country right now deserves more the words. Were trying to bring attention to the policies of the administration that have brought us to were we are at, thats it. Americans are at the front in Iraq and were at the front here. Have you ever seen someones face after a beanbag shotgun shell hit them in the face? I have. They ain't showing that on the news. We could us some support but then so could our kid in the dessert. The rest is bu****it.

Maybe if you wouldn't cause trouble then you wouldn't have to see a face after a beanbag hits it. You have no one but yourselves to thank and those that cause riots in the first place.

Remember to duck and wear a hanky over your face so that no one sees who you really are when you destroy someone's business.

Amigo wrote:

Rubber, plastic, bean bags and lead. Thats what the bullets are made out of at a Protest. Tasers, tear gas, german sheperds, billy clubs and horses. One slip by us and were toast and everyone wants to see it. .....

Maybe if you wouldn't cause trouble then you wouldn't have to see a face after a beanbag hits it. You have no one but yourselves to thank and those that cause riots in the first place.

Remember to duck and wear a hanky over your face so that no one sees who you really are when you destroy someone's business.

Anti-Gay Church Protests at GI Funerals
By BETH RUCKER
Associated Press Writer

August 28, 2005, 7:40 AM EDT

SMYRNA, Tenn. -- Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq.

The church members were met with scorn from local residents. They chased the church members cars' down a highway, waving flags and screaming "God bless America."

"My husband is over there, so I'm here to show my support," 41-year-old Connie Ditmore said as she waved and American flag and as tears came to her eyes. "To do this at a funeral is disrespectful of a family, no matter what your beliefs are."

The Rev. Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist in Kansas, contends that American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps' children, grandchildren and in-laws.

The church members carried signs and shouted things such as "God hates fags" and "God hates you."

Setanta

Obviously you didn't understand the meaning of my post. I don't negate anyone's opinion, I am simply pointing out that people who have never seen the cost of war don't have the complete picture.

I listened to Ben Stein on CBS this morning pointing out that Cindy Sheehan is all wrong and that her son volunteered. Like so many others who want to justify our presence in Iraq, they forget that many of the "volunteers" who are now in Iraq, volunteered to find and fight and kill Osama bin Laden and the rest of the terrorists who attacked us. He, Casey, likely didn't volunteer to fight in Iraq.

You see how easy it is to get off point! You started talking about how crass it was for the anti-war crowd to picket outside the facility treating the wounded. Now you talking about Arnold.

In defense of the anti-war crowd, no one else seems to give a damn about our wounded. They don't talk about them on Rush or Hannity because talking about them would call attention to them.

Attention focused on them might be hard to take since many of them have lost arms and legs or had the skin burned off their bodies. Grotesque reminders of the cost of war.

I am sure that many of you contributing your opinions to this forum have never seen a wounded veteran. You've never seen a dead soldier or lost a close friend in war. I don't say this diminishes your right to opine, but it may in fact narrow your field of experience and hence leave you with less than all the information you need to weigh the cost of war.

I am a veteran. I volunteered. It's easy to criticize people who believe the war is a lie sitting behind a comfortable desk, it's harder to stand up and be counted. Anyone who believes that the anti-war protestors are wrong about this war and believe we should be fighting in Iraq, should not be contributing here, but should be at the enlistment center putting your ass where your mouths is.

All you have to do is look at the enlistment numbers compared to the numbers of people who voted for Bush.If you won't fight for your cause how can you expect the rest of the country to?

her son volunteered.

Amigo wrote:

All you have to do is look at the enlistment numbers compared to the numbers of people who voted for Bush.If you won't fight for your cause how can you expect the rest of the country to?

This is completely assinine of you.
Yes,the first time enlistment numbers are down,but the people that enlisted for the benefits,the travel opportunities,the priveledge of being a veteran are not the kind that would join to actually fight anyway.
BUT,if you look at the RE-ENLISTMENT numbers,you would see that those are up.

Now,from the number of people that voted for Bush,subtract those that are either to old,veterans,those with young children,those with disabilities that preclude them from enlisting,and those that are in the military right now.
Now,how many does that leave?

But,using your logic,then many that claim to be against the war actually aren't.
After all,look at the number of people that oppose the war and then look at the very few that are in Crawford with Cindy Sheehan.
Why are you not down there supporting her?

cavolina wrote:

her son volunteered.

this one is getting quite a lot these days. in basic terms, what's being said is "they knew what they were getting into". fair enuff. really shouldn't join the military without that understanding that you might get killed, even if it's in an accident during peace time.

however, what bothers me is the way that it gets used, lately. it comes across almost like some are saying it's okay to just throw these guys away, because "they volunteered".

i'm sure that some really think that way, but it couldn't be many, could it ?

just seems like there's a lot of weird justifications being made for the impacts of the war in iraq.

and it's made only that much more obvious by a lack of those same kind of rotating rationalizations regarding afghanistan.