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Are American Islamic Schools Teaching Hate?

 
 
Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 10:52 am
In a three month study, the New York Daily News investigated the textbooks that are taught in Islamic schools in New York City. They found that many of the passages taught to the children contained negative stereotypic descriptions of both Christians and Jews:

Link to Daily News Story

What do you think of their findings?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 11:37 am
Phoenix
I read that story in the news this morning and my first thought that the Madrassas [sp] of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan are alive and well in the US. These are the same people that complain about discrimination and bias. I should also note that the vouchers for parochial schools so vigorously pushed by Bush would go to schools teaching this hatred. Can anything be done? I doubt it, freedom of religion even if the religion teaches hate. I know this is not politically correct but those who peddle their hate just don't belong here. They are against everything that America stands for.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 12:30 pm
Is tax money paying for schools for terrorists-in-training?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 12:39 pm
Phoenix
It will no doubt. Religion or not this should be covered under anti discrimination laws. Somehow i do not believe teaching hatred should be legal.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 12:56 pm
no comment
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 01:59 pm
Perhaps I'm jaded, but in my opinion, at one point or another, every religion teaches hate.

At very least, they add to intolerance -- which is the breeding ground for hate.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:07 pm
Frank Apisa- Yeah, I agree, to a point. Most religions have this "My God is better than your God" sort of mentality. My concern is that many Islamic people do subscribe to the concept of jihad.

It is one thing to have a literally, "holier than thou" attitude. It is quite another to entertain the idea of killing off people who don't believe the way you do.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:14 pm
Religious teachings and beliefs have proved to be pretty nasty in human history. That's not going to change any time soon, especially when the president of the most powerful nation in the world professes to christianity, but has no problem with the death of thousands. c.i.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:27 pm
c.i.
The fact that our president is what and who he is does not IMO justify the teaching children in schools in America to hate other religions or to train a crop of future suicide bombers. This to me at least is unwelcome in this country. And demeans everything we stand for.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:35 pm
Quote:
Sarkin, a convert to Islam from an Orthodox Jewish family in New Jersey, had the children take turns reading Chapter 9 of IQRA's "Mercy to Mankind," titled "Relations With the Jews Worsen.

The text cited numerous failings and offenses by "the Jews," a repeated formulation that blurred the distinction between Medina's Jewish tribes and, say, the Jews of present-day Israel.

"The Muslims wanted to live in peace with the Jews, but the Jews did not like the Muslims," recited Sarkin, who was wearing a long-sleeved gray robe and a tan hijab, or head covering. "They did not believe in Muhammed. They thought only a Jew could be a prophet."

Well, the worst anti-Semites are the self-hating Jews (example: chief of the security service in the Third Reich Mr. Reinhard T. Heydrich allegedly had Jewish grandparents), just as the most violent homophobes may appear being latent gays...
Anti-Semitic propaganda was a central issue in the history lessons in the Palestinian Authority schools in the middle of the peace process, government of Rabin-Peres kept a blind eye on it, and the results of such indoctrination are being implemented since September 2000.
[I have a leave from my army service until Thursday, and I am happy to be back on A2K.]
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:39 pm
au, How does one regulate what is taught our children? Let me know when you find the answer. c.i.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:43 pm
Steissd- I have always believed that there are few more militant than the convert, no matter what the religion. I have seen it over and over again in my lifetime.

The fact remains that Sarkin did not write the book. My issue is why material like that got into the schools, and what is the school administrator's purpose in teaching hate to the kids? (I think that's a rhetorical question!)
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:50 pm
Of course, the question is rhetoric. Culture of political correctness permits Muslims to do things that would be immediately prohibited for Christians or Jews (I cannot imagine that any private school promoting, for example, ideas of KKK or of classical Hitlerian Nazism would survive more that several days). I wonder how does America permit such an abuse of her freedoms in favor of training new generation of terrorists under cover of religious studies...
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 02:54 pm
steissd
Welcome back. That is of course true some of the most strident anti Semites are those who have converted. I guess it is their way of proving their loyalty to their new religion.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 03:04 pm
c.i.
The fact that there is no way, or I believe there is no way, to stop the practice does not justify it. At least I would hope that if vouchers are given to parents those who send their children to schools teaching hate could legally be excluded. I suppose that is wishful thinking. It is just another reason not to support religious education with tax dollars.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 03:11 pm
au1929- Absolutely agree.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 03:53 pm
au, I never talked about "justification." I'm only trying to point out how difficult it is to control the teaching of "hate" in any environment. That's one of the reasons why the KKK survives today. The parents teach their children the same garbage they were taught by theirs. Nothing to do with "justification." c.i.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 04:05 pm
looking for hate taught to children? check the text books of the main producers of texts for christain schools in the US. Beka Press, Bob Jones University Press and School of Tomorrow/Accelerated Christian Ed. and you will find very specific hate directed at Islam-Hinduism-Buddhism and Roman Catholicisim.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 04:28 pm
Dyslexia, you contradict yourself. Roman Catholicism is one of the Christian denominations (along with Orthodoxy and different versions of Protestantism), so Christian textbooks cannot spread hostility toward it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2003 06:34 pm
Steissd- No contradiction. In the US, sometimes when a person speaks of "Christian" denominations, the reference is to Protestant sects, even though Roman Catholicism is of course, Christian.

In the US there has been a history of prejudice towards Catholics, which has softened somewhat since the presidency of John F. Kennedy.
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