How did hitler gain control of the German people?

BillyFalcon wrote:

(Crytal Night) So what? It doesn't begin to compare with the rampant officially sanctioned anti-Semitism of Czarist Russia. Those pogroms were hardly spontaneous. They were orchestrated by the Czar's minions in many localities in the Pale. As was Crystallnacht. There was nothing whatever spontaneous about that, either. It was perpetrated largely under the guidance of the Sicherdienst, the brown-shirted SD. A few German hoodlums participated to take advantage of the looting opportunities.

I agree with your arguments that Crystal Night was not spontaneous
but was planned, orchestrated, like the pogroms in Czarist Russia. However, you seem to think that, in some way, that being plannned and orchestrated and not being as big as the pogroms in Czarest Russia, in some way mitigates the barbarism of Crystal Night.
Or, at the very least that ordinary Germans did not take part, except for
a few hoodlums who tried to take advantage of the looting opportunities.
I agree that Crystal Night was planned, directed, etc. by the Gestapo, SS, etc. But what difference did it make to the victims which Germans did it?

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Oh, Lordy. Learn how to use a computer, willya please.

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I keep promising myself not to get sucked into another of these Hitler obsession threads . . . i wish i could keep my resolutions . . . i just don't get the fascination. The guy was a putz, and militarily, a complete idiot.

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Andrew,

I'm not camfortable with my views being unclear.
Let me try another.

The historian Alan Bullock wrote:
"The impact of WWI on the lives of milions of Germans was one of the essential conditions for the rise of the Nazi Party and Hitler. A number of "anti" movements".
They were rooted in Volkisch nationalism and were anti-semitic, anti-western , and anti-slav. But both of you undoubtedly know more about modern (20th cent.) anti-semitism.

Historian Joachim Fest quotes Hitler as having said:

"Gods and Beasts, that is what our world is made of."

and Fest commens that this statement is "probably the most succinct possible summary of the essence of National Socialism, behind all ideological and tactical masks."

you said "Hitler hit upon the brilliant plan of blaming it all on the jews." No, he spelled it out loud and clear in 1923 in Mein Kampf.

Andrew, I think making "scapegoat" of the Jews, doesn't quite cover the subject. The person using the scapegoat is using the scapegoat for his sins. The way it's used in regard to the Jews, is that the Jews are paying the price for Germany losing WWI, depression, inflation, etd.

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Hitler, Germany, Germans

BillyFalcon wrote:

Andrew,

I'm not camfortable with my views being unclear.
Let me try another

you said "Hitler hit upon the brilliant plan of blaming it all on the jews." No, he spelled it out loud and clear in 1923 in Mein Kampf.

Andrew, I think making "scapegoat" of the Jews, doesn't quite cover the subject. The person using the scapegoat is using the scapegoat for his sins. The way it's used in regard to the Jews, is that the Jews are paying the price for Germany losing WWI, depression, inflation, etd.

The historian Alan Bullock wrote:
"The impact of WWI on the lives of milions of Germans was one of the essential conditions for the rise of the Nazi Party and Hitler. A number of "anti" movements".
They were rooted in Volkisch nationalism and were anti-semitic, anti-western , and anti-slav. But both of you undoubtedly know more about modern (20th cent.) anti-semitism.
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Historian Joachim Fest quotes Hitler as having said:

"Gods and Beasts, that is what our world is made of."

and Fest commens that this statement is "probably the most succinct possible summary of the essence of National Socialism, behind all ideological and tactical masks."

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Andrew, I think making "scapegoat" of the Jews, doesn't quite cover the subject. The person using the scapegoat is using the scapegoat for his sins. The way it's used in regard to the Jews, is that the Jews are paying the price for Germany losing WWI, depression, inflation, etd.[/quote]

Historian Joachim Fest quotes Hitler as having said:

"Gods and Beasts, that is what our world is made of."

and Fest commens that this statement is "probably the most succinct possible summary of the essence of National Socialism, behind all ideological and tactical masks."

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Hitler, Germany, Germans

BillyFalcon wrote:

Andrew,

I'm not camfortable with my views being unclear.
Let me try another

you said "Hitler hit upon the brilliant plan of blaming it all on the jews." No, he spelled it out loud and clear in 1923 in Mein Kampf.

Andrew, I think making "scapegoat" of the Jews, doesn't quite cover the subject. The person using the scapegoat is using the scapegoat for his sins. The way it's used in regard to the Jews, is that the Jews are paying the price for Germany losing WWI, depression, inflation, etd.

The historian Alan Bullock wrote:
"The impact of WWI on the lives of milions of Germans was one of the essential conditions for the rise of the Nazi Party and Hitler. A number of "anti" movements".
They were rooted in Volkisch nationalism and were anti-semitic, anti-western , and anti-slav. But both of you undoubtedly know more about modern (20th cent.) anti-semitism.
---------------------------------------------------------
Historian Joachim Fest quotes Hitler as having said:

"Gods and Beasts, that is what our world is made of."

and Fest commens that this statement is "probably the most succinct possible summary of the essence of National Socialism, behind all ideological and tactical masks."

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Historian Joachim Fest quotes Hitler as having said:

"Gods and Beasts, that is what our world is made of."

and Fest commens that this statement is "probably the most succinct possible summary of the essence of National Socialism, behind all ideological and tactical masks."

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You gotta learn to distinguish between the "edit" button and the "quote" button.

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Setanta and everybody, I must learn. You're right.
Apologies.

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No need to apologize, we've all done it before.

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Hitler, Germany, Germans
About the issue of when did Hitler get the Germans to back him. Well, from what he wrote iin Mien kampf, I maintain he was trying to scapegoat the Jews right after WWI. ( The use of the word "scapegoat" is not crucial to the issue so I'll drop it). However, nor is the point that Hitler first used the Communists as a scapegoat. The communists were second to Jews. Here, let me have Hitler explain it:

from Mein Kampf

"And so the Jew today is greater agitator for the complete destruction of Germany. Wherever in the world we read of attacks against Germany, Jews are their fabricators, just as in peacetime and during the war the Jewish stock exchange and Marxists systematiicly stirred hatred against Germany . . .. ." Mein Kampf is an endless source anti-Jewish remarks.

I am not am not in agreement with the quote from William Shirer's The Third Reich, "Nazism is a straight line from Luther to Hitler." That would put me in the same position as the Nazis. Branding all Germans to be guilty of some original sin.

However, the Historian Alan Bullock had this to say:
". . . Nazism was not some terrible accident which fell upon the German people out of a Blue Sky. It was rooted in their history, and while it is true that a majority of Germans never voted for Hitler, it is also true that thirteen million did. Both facts need to be remembered."

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