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Clinton warned in 1996 about OBL

 
 
Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 10:36 am
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 10:53 am
No foresight...No balls...Busy doing "other things"?

Pick any one and you won't be too far off.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 12:15 pm
woiyo wrote:
No foresight...No balls...Busy doing "other things"?

Pick any one and you won't be too far off.


damn straight, buddy.

just look at how quickly george w. bush located, apprehended, tried, sentenced and punished osama.

if it weren't for dubya's laser like focus on osama bin laden, that terrorist pig might still be running around today, stepping on our freedoms.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 01:26 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
woiyo wrote:
No foresight...No balls...Busy doing "other things"?

Pick any one and you won't be too far off.


damn straight, buddy.

just look at how quickly george w. bush located, apprehended, tried, sentenced and punished osama.

if it weren't for dubya's laser like focus on osama bin laden, that terrorist pig might still be running around today, stepping on our freedoms.


Whew...I feel so much better with OBL shackled in the bowels of the Pentagon.
What was that pesky memo called again.....something obscure like "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.".

I know I know, the conservatives have informed well on this issue...the war waged against Iraq was not precipitated by 9/11, Bush planned to induce a regime change in Iraq long before 9/11.
That's what was busying this little cowboy....not some silly memo that spoke to him in rhymes.
...but if the Lord had spoken to him in the night...

Naw....that's silly.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 01:27 pm
I repeat my original question...In light of this evidence,why didnt Clinton do anything then?
Thats all I asked.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 01:33 pm
Because, traditionally, the presence of a terrorist in a country wasn't grounds to attack and invade it. Actually, he did plenty of things, just none of them worked. Don't you remember the thing about sending a missile thousands of miles to hit a camel in the butt?

It's true that Clinton did not think of terrorism as something you could declare war on (and he would have been right, see current situation) and treated it as something illegal. I'm sure more could have been done. But even all that's been done by the current admin hasn't gotten us bin Laden's head on a platter.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 01:34 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I repeat my original question...In light of this evidence,why didnt Clinton do anything then?
Thats all I asked.


Valid question.
I was in high school when he began his presidency...so I'm learning about him "posthumously", so to speak.

I was under the impression there were orchestrated military operations in Afghanistan...but I know nothing on the topic of what Clinton knew.
Hopefully I'll learn in this thread.

Got other links MM?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 01:43 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I repeat my original question...In light of this evidence,why didnt Clinton do anything then?
Thats all I asked.


he did.

he launched on a bin laden location in sudan and again on training camps in afghanistan.

i know you really hate clinton and want so badly to assign to him full responsibility for everything bad that has ever happened to america, from 1560 to today, but it's really a pretty hypocritical assertion when you rail against your political opposites for doing the same with bush.

don't you get it ? it's a cumultive problem that's been building for over 25 years.

over 35 if you include the murdered israelis at the olympics. nearly 60 if you count the establishing of the state of israel.

there's more than enough blame to go around.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 02:20 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I repeat my original question...In light of this evidence,why didnt Clinton do anything then?
Thats all I asked.


he did.

he launched on a bin laden location in sudan and again on training camps in afghanistan.

i know you really hate clinton and want so badly to assign to him full responsibility for everything bad that has ever happened to america, from 1560 to today, but it's really a pretty hypocritical assertion when you rail against your political opposites for doing the same with bush.

don't you get it ? it's a cumultive problem that's been building for over 25 years.

over 35 if you include the murdered israelis at the olympics. nearly 60 if you count the establishing of the state of israel.

there's more than enough blame to go around.
Excuse me,
Where did I ever say I "hate" Bill Clinton?
I didnt agree with his policies,but I have no feelings one way or the other about the man.

Also,I have said many times the Bush shares part of the responsibility,I have NEVER said Clinton was solely responsible,and I defy you to find anyplace where I did.

But,this is from the article...
Quote:
Sudanese officials claim that they offered to turn bin Laden over to the Clinton administration before he was expelled from the Sudan, but Clinton diplomats deny it was that simple.


Yet the Clinton admin has denied that the offer was ever made.
Now they say it was but it "wasnt that simple".
So,were they or werent they?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 02:39 pm
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407230005

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On July 20, ABC radio host Sean Hannity thrice repeated the false claim that former President Bill Clinton refused a 1996 offer from Sudan to hand Osama bin Laden over to the United States. Hannity has previously propagated this claim, for which the 9-11 Commission found "no reliable evidence to support."

As Media Matters for America has noted, the false claim originated in an August 11, 2002, article on right-wing news website NewsMax.com that distorted a statement Clinton made on February 15, 2002. While addressing the Long Island Association's annual luncheon, Clinton said he "pleaded with the Saudis" to accept Sudan's offer to hand bin Laden over to Saudi Arabia. Sudan never offered bin Laden to the United States, and Clinton did not admit to the Sudan offer in that speech or anywhere else. (Clinton's statements are posted here).
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 02:40 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2

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The government of Sudan, employing a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody, according to officials and former officials in all three countries.

The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at a Rosslyn hotel on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later. Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts at the time, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 02:46 pm
mysteryman wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I repeat my original question...In light of this evidence,why didnt Clinton do anything then?
Thats all I asked.


he did.

he launched on a bin laden location in sudan and again on training camps in afghanistan.

i know you really hate clinton and want so badly to assign to him full responsibility for everything bad that has ever happened to america, from 1560 to today, but it's really a pretty hypocritical assertion when you rail against your political opposites for doing the same with bush.

don't you get it ? it's a cumultive problem that's been building for over 25 years.

over 35 if you include the murdered israelis at the olympics. nearly 60 if you count the establishing of the state of israel.

there's more than enough blame to go around.
Excuse me,
Where did I ever say I "hate" Bill Clinton?
I didnt agree with his policies,but I have no feelings one way or the other about the man.

Also,I have said many times the Bush shares part of the responsibility,I have NEVER said Clinton was solely responsible,and I defy you to find anyplace where I did.

But,this is from the article...
Quote:
Sudanese officials claim that they offered to turn bin Laden over to the Clinton administration before he was expelled from the Sudan, but Clinton diplomats deny it was that simple.


Yet the Clinton admin has denied that the offer was ever made.
Now they say it was but it "wasnt that simple".
So,were they or werent they?


if i've misunderstood some of the comments you've previously made about clinton, i apologize for my comment.

now back to topic.

the article may say that, but the document provided by j-watch does not. in fact it mentions mounting pressure from the u.s.

the "offer" story pops up once in a while. it was initially put out there by a guy named mansour ijiz. he claims that he was the go between, but i have never seen it verified anywhere.

he's also a contributor to fnc and that's really the only place i've seen or heard about it. others may have reported it, but not that i'm aware of.


do you agree that the islamist thing is a cumulative problem ?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 03:01 pm
Good call FreeDuck

Not that it will keep anyone from repeating the same claim the next time...
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 04:06 pm
In the book Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, Richard Miniter explains how this all took place and how Clinton failed to take possession of bin Laden.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 04:13 pm
I'm prepared to admit that Clinton may not have done all he could have done....but unleased global terror?
That's a mighty aggressive assumption considering the historical grudge Islamist fascists (is that what we're calling them...I don't know for sure...) have held toward the west in general, and the US in particular.

I certainly wouldn't say that global terrorism is the shrub's fault, no matter how low he is in my mental polls--that's just far too big a burden to lay on one man...or even one administration. If you buy that crap Baldy, you're never going to grasp the larger picture here.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 05:25 pm
candidone1 wrote:
I'm prepared to admit that Clinton may not have done all he could have done....but unleased global terror?
That's a mighty aggressive assumption considering the historical grudge Islamist fascists (is that what we're calling them...I don't know for sure...) have held toward the west in general, and the US in particular.

I certainly wouldn't say that global terrorism is the shrub's fault, no matter how low he is in my mental polls--that's just far too big a burden to lay on one man...or even one administration. If you buy that crap Baldy, you're never going to grasp the larger picture here.


I didn't say I bought it; I haven't even read the book. I was pointing out that the book was written and is filled with large amounts of info on the subject of Clinton and his refusal to take possession of bin Laden.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:50 pm
Baldimo wrote:
In the book Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, Richard Miniter explains how this all took place and how Clinton failed to take possession of bin Laden.


You said this without even reading the book?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 08:28 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
In the book Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, Richard Miniter explains how this all took place and how Clinton failed to take possession of bin Laden.


You said this without even reading the book?


I have seen interviews with the author on several different shows. Is that any different then the author of the Swift Vet book being interviewed and the interviewer not having read the book but has criticism for the book and the author?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 08:13 am
How can you testify to the content of a book you haven't read?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2005 08:38 am
Baldimo wrote:

I didn't say I bought it; I haven't even read the book. I was pointing out that the book was written and is filled with large amounts of info on the subject of Clinton and his refusal to take possession of bin Laden.


Baldimo, there are thousands of published documents that you will find both self-serving and depricting...the fact that you have here referenced a book which "lays it out plain and simple", and all you've done is read an Amazon review of it critically damages your own credibility on the issue.
Why not point us toward something you haven't read which tells us Clinton did what he could?
Don't propagandize the discussion with dubious claims unless you can cite and reference facts from that book.
OK?
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