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Constitution in Iraq

 
 
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 01:52 pm
Doesn't it seem obvious to anyone that if the majority of the Iraqi people want an opperessive, mullah-dominated, religious-oriented, Sharia-based regime that is their business, and not ours? Are we going to tell them it's separation of church and state or nothing, American-style democracy or nothing? Who the hell are we to decide what kind of Constitution the Iraqis will have?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 01:56 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Doesn't it seem obvious to anyone that if the majority of the Iraqi people want an opperessive, mullah-dominated, religious-oriented, Sharia-based regime that is their business, and not ours? Are we going to tell them it's separation of church and state or nothing, American-style democracy or nothing? Who the hell are we to decide what kind of Constitution the Iraqis will have?


Rhetorical question. That's exactly what these arrogant c**ksuckers currently in charge are doing because that's where control of the oil comes from and that's where the money comes from. No savings for us, but profit for them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:01 pm
RexRed wrote:
After defeating Hitler should we have let Germany go back to communism?


RexRed wrote:

Ok, I meant totalitarianism... EXCUSE ME... pretty damn near the same thing...


I only want to clarify that

a) before 1945 there had never been any elected communist government in Germany

b) the USA, the UK and France as occupying countries did not stop a communist government in the Soviet occupied zone of Germany.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:07 pm
Scorpia wrote:
"They are not liberated if they go back to an oppressive regime... "

If they are not allowed to run their own country, are they not in an oppressive regime. Especially if they are "conquered."



We are not taking away freedoms by giving everyone an equal voice..

Some clerics want women to have no rights in Iraq... that is absolutely unacceptable in this day and age... It leads to hatred and oppression... In a few years we will have another tyrant in power in Iraq...

Men who try to usurp womens rights are not men...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:14 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
RexRed wrote:
After defeating Hitler should we have let Germany go back to communism?


RexRed wrote:

Ok, I meant totalitarianism... EXCUSE ME... pretty damn near the same thing...


I only want to clarify that

a) before 1945 there had never been any elected communist government in Germany

b) the USA, the UK and France as occupying countries did not stop a communist government in the Soviet occupied zone of Germany.


I thank you for correcting me on that...

I got confused because I just saw a movie about Hitler called "Der Utergang" I thought I heard Hitler rr Eva say something about a new communistic dream of sorts...

Again sorry for the error...

I am not too proud to admit when I am wrong... Smile

I will watch the movie again and quote the line if it is really there and my recollection is not totally imagined.

Maybe the movie is in err or part of modern politics... It is probably more like my imagination.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:15 pm
Actually you see Mr Red, the nation of Iraq (as it were) is currently suffering from the same affliction as the US of A. The Sunni's are the equivalent of americas Protestants. Neither actually has a theology, the both prefer democractic mob rule as long as they hold the majority and they both believe god is on their side with (their) god's law being above the law of the land.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:26 pm
RexRed wrote:
I got confused because I just saw a movie about Hitler called "Der Utergang" I thought I heard Hitler rr Eva say something about a new communistic dream of sorts...


Well, might be that we should rewrite not only our history books but although our history itself in that case.

Btw: I'm sure, you saw 'Der Untergang'. Could it be that your knowledge of German is possible not so perfect that you might perhaps have misunderstood the one or other word?
On the other site, I surely might have overheard such a dialogue in that film. (I must confess, however, that it is the first time I've heard, a film changes historical facts and knowledge. But since the USA are the country of the undreamed-of possibilities ...)
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:26 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Actually you see Mr Red, the nation of Iraq (as it were) is currently suffering from the same affliction as the US of A. The Sunni's are the equivalent of americas Protestants. Neither actually has a theology, the both prefer democractic mob rule as long as they hold the majority and they both believe god is on their side with (their) god's law being above the law of the land.


They need a "George" Washington... Smile
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:29 pm
RexRed wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Actually you see Mr Red, the nation of Iraq (as it were) is currently suffering from the same affliction as the US of A. The Sunni's are the equivalent of americas Protestants. Neither actually has a theology, the both prefer democractic mob rule as long as they hold the majority and they both believe god is on their side with (their) god's law being above the law of the land.


They need a "George" Washington... Smile

what they need is to be left alone and sort things out for themselves as to what they need.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:48 pm
dyslexia wrote:
RexRed wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Actually you see Mr Red, the nation of Iraq (as it were) is currently suffering from the same affliction as the US of A. The Sunni's are the equivalent of americas Protestants. Neither actually has a theology, the both prefer democractic mob rule as long as they hold the majority and they both believe god is on their side with (their) god's law being above the law of the land.


They need a "George" Washington... Smile

what they need is to be left alone and sort things out for themselves as to what they need.


Can you say hostile overthrow? Remember that was how Saddam "usurped" power.

Would it not be long before Zarqawi, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda are running things by intimidation and "beheadings"?

I would rather we "finish" the job right so in 5 to 10 years we do not have them lobbing bombs at Israel and a whole new set of "no fly" zones...

We (the American people) are paying for that damn war we should have a say in what kind of government is put in place...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:12 pm
RexRed wrote:

We (the American people) are paying for that damn war we should have a say in what kind of government is put in place...


You mean, if I understand you correctly, the other nations contributing armed forces, civil engineers, material and human aid etc. etc. to Iraq can just donate their aid as a gift?
And those aborigines their should keep their mouth shut per se?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:43 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
RexRed wrote:

We (the American people) are paying for that damn war we should have a say in what kind of government is put in place...


You mean, if I understand you correctly, the other nations contributing armed forces, civil engineers, material and human aid etc. etc. to Iraq can just donate their aid as a gift?
And those aborigines their should keep their mouth shut per se?


Sure they have a say... do you think they are going to to advise the new Gov't of Iraq to abolish human rights?

And by the way what are these "other nations" death tolls? What is the dollar value of their contributions coming out of their people pockets?

What is the number of troops on the ground and how long have they been engaged in the Iraq "liberation"?

Why don't they put their money where their mouth is...
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:48 pm
Tonight before I sleep I will thank God that I didn't have to eat at the same table with you growing up... I'd have starved.

Since we put the most into the Iraq war are equally willing to bear all the brunt of terrorist attacks stemming from it on our soil? Probably so as long as it isn't where you live....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:51 pm
Thanks, bear, that you put it so nicely.

Otherwise I surely would have been banned due my response.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 03:55 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Thanks, bear, that you put it so nicely.

Otherwise I surely would have been banned due my response.


diplomacy and tact.. my specialty. Call me anytime. You guys need an ambassador over there?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 04:04 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Tonight before I sleep I will thank God that I didn't have to eat at the same table with you growing up... I'd have starved.

Since we put the most into the Iraq war are equally willing to bear all the brunt of terrorist attacks stemming from it on our soil? Probably so as long as it isn't where you live....


We already have had the brunt of the terrorist attacks on our soil...

Terrorists were plotting attacks in America long before we entered Iraq.
They had attacks planned on "America" years into the future after 9/11 ending in total nuclear destruction...

They are not "stemming from" our "liberation" in Iraq they are stemming from radical religious hate...

I am sure with a attitude like that you don't pray to any God other than yourself... who do you think you are fooling?

Wake up
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 04:08 pm
ah.. assumption and arrogance...the tools of the purposefully ignorant...keeps you warm at night eh Reverend Falwell?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 04:13 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Thanks, bear, that you put it so nicely.

Otherwise I surely would have been banned due my response.


You need to wake up too...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 04:15 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ah.. assumption and arrogance...the tools of the purposefully ignorant...keeps you warm at night eh Reverend Falwell?


Is the name of Reverend Faldwell supposed to invoke some sort of response?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 04:48 pm
I think RexRed might be right. I think only a small minority in the western nations wants to see another religious regime in charge in Baghdad. What people in the West want to see, what Americans want to see is a true democracy. And the US government should maybe tell Americans that what we are seeing in Iraq at the moment is not a western style democracy. The US government should stop talking about "liberation", and replace it with "occupation". No "democracy" yet, but a "colony". No "free elections", but "experimental elections", just to find out whether Iraqis are already up to it. The administration should tell people that this wont be over in another year or two, but more likely in 10 years, or maybe 20. Or later. Yes, the American administration (and therefore the American people) should have a say in who is running its colonies. Not the people of these occupied countries. Otherwise, what's the point in invading them in the first place?
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