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Are we saved by our own efforts or are we saved by God's efforts ?

 
 
Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2022 06:06 pm
Where are you in the world did you get saved because you wanted or because you asked for it ? Can we be saved because Jesus wanted it or becuase you were destined tell you own testimony how you are saved ? Tell us how you were saved and what you wanted was by your will or by God's will. Because you can't be saved by your own efforts only by God's who put you in your life ?
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2022 06:51 pm
@davidsheep88,
He had never heard of God or Jesus, and yet he loved and cared for the environment into which he was born, and loved his neighbour as himself, having never done anything to his fellow man that he would not want done to himself.

When the Lord divides the sheep from the goats, to which group do you believe he will be gathered?
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PoliteMight
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2022 11:23 am
@davidsheep88,
God has nothing to do with you being "saved". Jesus gave his physical flesh for us. That being said the idea ( idea ) is that we are born with the sin of the first human beings and by accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and leading a good and just life in terms of forgiveness ( and forgetting ) you could be saved.

You can not get baptized and then break as many commandments. You moving away from anything representing wrong. By that I do not mean being pro lesbian-feminist-political-bs. In fact you can not put god on the same table as government, otherwise all you would have is a bunch of confused sheep.

God in general ( God over all ) wants you to do good, be pure, and stay towards the side of good as much as possible.

When US dropped a bunch of pamplets over Japan claiming they were going to bomb it, they all laughed. Why? Because it was not god like. However it happen. Why? Because the government has nothing to do with god at all.

All the innocent lives lost for nothing, these false-flag attacks to responses of excuse like Iraq and Afganistan, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Desert Storm, and even the Civil war, to the war of 1812. So many more all was about business

War = Business = lost of lives = to increase production for selfish people.
Thus they take people and brainwash them to be selfish or defenseless.
Meanwhile people have excuses to have a false image.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2022 12:07 am
@PoliteMight,
From the moment that the death penalty was incurred, salvation was promised by God. Eve, who was to become the great androgynous body of mankind, is to bear a son, who would crush the head of Satan, and justify the sinful life of Eve.

1 Timothy 2: 13-14; For Adam was created first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and broke God's law. But a woman will be saved through childbirth.

Just as the Spirit/mind of Adam/mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, the spiritual ‘Son of Man’ develops within the body of mankind/Eve.

The promised child of EVE, ‘THE SON OF MAN’, although born perfect in our as yet future, after the thousand years rule of Jesus, when heavenly fire incinerates all physical life forms on this planet and the body of Eve is reunited with her Lord and the umbilical cord that binds the SON to the mother body is severed, and when Christ was about to come into the world, he said to God: “You do not want sacrifices and offerings, but you have prepared a body for me.

That body was the man Jesus, on who the spirit of our Lord God and saviou descended in the form of a dove on the day that he was baptised, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my Son (My heir and successor) ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.”

You are not pleased with animals burnt whole on the altar or with sacrifices to take away sins. Then He said, ‘Here I am, to do your will, O God, just as it is written of me in the book of the Law.’” He then descends from his high point in time, first, to take on the sins of the body of man and then offer his life for all those who were obedient to the evolving animalistic spirit in man, which was He in the process of development.

But all that is a foregone conclusion, even before the man Jesus (The earthly host body that God had prepared for his son) was ordered to take that body to the cross, a Pharisee asked him what he must do to inherit everlasting life, and Christ, through his earthly host body said; Love God (Who is all that exists) with all your body with all your mind and with all your soul and love your neighbour as yourself and you will live, for the entire law is fulfilled in those two commands.

And even though, our Savior has not yet been born, the same applies to us today, as long as we love and care for the environment in which we live, and love our fellow man as ourselves and do nothing to our neighbour that we would not want others to do to us, we can rest in peace as we await the birth of our Savior, and his gathering of the righteous spirits of man to himself and casting the unrepentant wicked spirits into the Lake of fire, which is the second and final death from which there is no return.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2022 06:09 am
@davidsheep88,
God saves those - who 'save' themselves.
God condemns those - who 'condemn' themselves.

Thus - You are God, unto yourself.

Have a Lovely Day

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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2022 07:34 am
@davidsheep88,
We are not saved by our own effort. In fact, we cannot save ourselves from our own effort. Any attempt is doomed to failure.

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