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Britain is sending refugees to Rwanda

 
 
Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 06:34 am
Apparently Britain has set up a deal with Rwanda to send them refugees from various countries and Rwanda will keep them in refugee camps for a price. These aren't Rwandans, but Syrians, Iranians, etc. Apparently this is something the Israelis tried a few years ago. The British high court has approved the plan and the first refugees will be shipped out this week. It seems really cruel and shortsighted to me and the government line that this will curb dangerous migration via human trafficking seems ludicrous, but it looks like it is going forward.
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 06:54 am
@engineer,
It's terrible, this Tory government is an abomination.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 09:01 am
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We’re in that phase of the death cycle where the government’s only two flagship policies are almost certainly in breach of international law. If not UK law as well. Just for good measure. Still, Boris Johnson knows a thing or two about breaking the law himself and is apparently totally cool with it. So much so he would do it all over again. He fought the law and the law won.

You’d have thought, though, that some of his ministers might have balked at law breaking on a global stage. Even just the twice. But needs must and all that. Operation Save Big Dog demands nothing less than all his ministers sacrificing what’s left of their credibility to the cause of the lunatics in the party. The MPs – almost exclusively male – whose demands become ever more extreme the greater they are indulged.

Given that Priti Patel comes from the same wing of the party as the fundamentalists, it had seemed odds on that she would want to take the opportunity to explain the current status of the Home Office plans to deport refugees on Tuesday. A chance to dance on the dashed hopes of asylum seekers the world over.

But Priti Vacant was acting unusually coy on Monday afternoon. Offered the chance by the Speaker to make a ministerial statement, she declined. And when Lindsay Hoyle instead offered the opposition the chance to turn Rwanda into an urgent question, she ran for the hills.

Maybe it was all just too mundane for her and she couldn’t contain her disappointment that more people weren’t going to suffer. After all, it was unlikely to have been from a surfeit of remorse as that would require something approximating to a conscience. But, for whatever reason, Vacant was nowhere to be seen in the Commons and it was left to the terminally dull and synaptically challenged junior minister Tom Pursglove to present the government’s case.

Pursglove is nothing if not a true believer. He too had been one of the backbench fanatics before Johnson had run out of options and promoted him to toilet cleaner at the Home Office. So his eyes shone bright with the rapture as he sung the praises of being unpleasant to refugees.

This was a “world leading” policy, he began. Leading in the sense of being first in a race of just one. Every other country – principally Australia and Israel – that had tried “cash for deportation”, aka legalised people smuggling, has had to abandon it as being unworkable and too expensive. The idea that it also might have been unethical and immoral still hasn’t occurred to them.

Rwanda was also fundamentally safe, Dopey Tom suggested. Not that he was minded to live there. Though he would be quite happy to visit some of the refugees when they were in their internment camp. Not so much a human zoo. More a wildlife safari park.

First you see the Big Five: elephants; lions; leopards; rhino; and buffalo. Then you see the Little One. Possibly even the Iranian policeman who had fled to the UK as he was in danger of being sent to prison for preventing his men from opening fire on protesters. Lawyers had made sure he was taken off the first flight to Kigali, but he would probably be rounded up and sent on a later one.

The Scottish National party’s Stuart McDonald and Labour’s Yvette Cooper, were both incandescent at seeing refugees being treated as pawns in the Convict’s survival. But Dopey Tom shrugged off their anger. They weren’t to be taken seriously because they didn’t have an alternative plan. Probably one of the more stupid of his many idiotic remarks. There’s no cure for Alzheimer’s, but that doesn’t make it a good idea to go around performing lobotomies on everyone with dementia. Some proposals are just intrinsically bad. And the Rwanda plan is one of them.

This didn’t stop the psycho club of male Tories overdosing on the excitement of other people’s misery. Peter Bone wasn’t bothered that there might be no one on the flight – at present there are just those whose case hasn’t been successfully challenged by lawyers – thought to be fewer than 10.

Robert Goodwill was adamant that Christians fleeing persecution would be far better off in Rwanda as the UK was basically an Islamic state. Or something. Julian Lewis declared that from now on the UK should be allowed to make up the laws for the entire world as we were the best country.

The ever rabid Brendan Clarke-Smith put the blame for any failures of the scheme firmly at the feet of “lefty lawyers” and charities. Bloody lawyers. Going around applying the law. Bloody charities. Going around being nice to those in trouble. Mike Woods was almost priapic as he announced that the courts had said that the flight could go ahead regardless of whether it was legal or not. Go figure. Labour’s Chris Bryant shouted: “Lefty lawyers.”

Johnson himself was getting involved in some law breaking of his own. It’s getting to be a habit. He tried to spin his disapplication of the Northern Ireland protocol as just a cosmetic formality. What we got was the usual Convict lies and doggybollocks. We needed to change the protocol because it was unfair that the EU was sticking to the deal that we had negotiated and signed. We needed to do so because the protocol went against the Good Friday agreement. And that had come first. Er … then maybe don’t sign up to a Brexit deal that also contravenes the GFA. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated? That you’re being governed by morons. Or people who take you for a moron. Curiously, he didn’t triumphantly celebrate the publication of the bill with a statement where he could answer MPs’ question. Rather, he just slipped it out as late as possible in the day so it would receive as little scrutiny as possible.

To add insult to injury, the economy also shrank by 0.1% in April. Lucky us. The effortlessly anonymous junior treasury minister John Glen was sent out to explain why in response to another urgent question. It was like this, he said. If we were still doing millions of Covid tests and spending billions on track and trace then the economy would have grown. Brilliant. The Tory answer to the recession. Send for another pandemic.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/priti-vacant-leaves-it-to-others-to-defend-rwanda-deportations
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 11:17 am
This is all about Johmson's premiership.

On the BBC they said the majority of Tory voters support this while the majority of Labour voters are opposed.

That makes it a wedge issue, where there is a clear distinction between the two sets of voters.

After Partygate, Northern Ireland and losing votes of confidence this is something Johnson needs.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 01:29 pm
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A last-minute legal battle is under way over the UK government's first flight transporting asylum seekers to Rwanda.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) says it has blocked the removal of one of seven passengers due to depart on Tuesday night.

An out-of-hours judge is currently examining the remaining half dozen cases and there are fears in the Home Office the flight may not depart.

It is not clear how the Home Office will respond to the ECHR injunction.
BBC

NB: seven passengers (now: six) passengers on the plane. (Actually, that number would be only the asylum seekers - there'll be certainly some dozen policemen/-women and crew.)

And since the European Court of Human Rights has issued an order to stop the deportation of one of the men to Rwanda, this means it is now possible for the other six to make similar claims.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 01:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It is not clear how the Home Office will respond to the ECHR injunction.
BBC
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Given how the UK intends to break the deal with the EU, it's possible they'll just ignore any rulings.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2022 09:38 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
Given how the UK intends to break the deal with the EU, it's possible they'll just ignore any rulings.
The ECHR is no EU institution.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 12:34 am
@Mame,
The ECHR is part of the Council of Europe, not the EU, and the UK 8s still part of that.

The Scots are pushing for another independence vote so they can rejoin the EU amongst other things.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 04:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The European Court of Human Rights would make this claim, even if they sent them to some tropical paradise.

Let's pick Tahiti instead of Rwanda.

I suspect what they really have a problem with is the idea that Britain is trying to become British again. The woke police probably doesn't take on any immigrants themselves, but they'd die before letting other people deport refugees.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 05:18 am
@izzythepush,
I hope the Scots get it. And thanks for the correction.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 05:55 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:
The European Court of Human Rights would make this claim, even if they sent them to some tropical paradise....

I suspect what they really have a problem with is the idea that Britain is trying to become British again.
The UK is one of the founders of the Council of Europe and thus the European Court of Human Rights.
(The European Court of Human Rights is an international court set up in 1959 to rule on individual or state applications alleging violations of the civil and political rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights.
Its judgments are binding on the 46 Council of Europe member states that have ratified the Convention.)

The UK's government doesn't want to become British again - if they (only) did, we wouldn't have the problem with the NI Protocoll.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:04 am
@Mame,
The time for "Scottish independence" was years ago. Not at a disingenuous point like when the Brits seeking an out from the EU. The EU knows that if anyone leaves, they will make an example for others. So they told Britain they'd think on it. They thought about it for several years without doing anything, they rejected a majority vote, and then right around the time when Brexit is to go through... oh hey, pandemic, we're gonna want you all to go on lockdown while we play shenanigans with your civil rights. Oh and btw, we're gonna try to "free" your countries from you. I'm sure if they succeed, next we'll hear about Welsh independence.

Btw, I found out something right clever.

EU, UN, and NATO all act as a sort of world police. So I thought of them as a single entity. Pretty soon, the anagrams came out (cuz that's how my mind works), and I had ONEUUNAT. One Under United Nation. That is, World Government. All these divide and conquer ploys are because if Britain reaches for sovereignty, they might set an example for Italy and France (not Germany tho). If the EU breaks up, these screwy one world types suffer a setback.

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The UK is one of the founders of the Council of Europe and thus the European Court of Human Rights.


I think the US helped found the UN, but now they pay the bulk in fees, and the UN no longer serves their interests. Likewise, it seems entirely possible that the European Court of Human Rights no longer acts on behalf of human rights but on behalf of EU. The way to test this is if the refugee camp is on a comfortable tropical island. But I suspect they'd immediately complain of dangerous wildlife anywhere but Great Britain.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:07 am
@Mame,
I do, and it will be Johnson's fault.

The first independence ref failed partly because an independent Scotland would no longer be in the EU and would have to go through the process of joining.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

If it's a choice between Independence and Brexit the Scots will choose independence.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:21 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I do, and it will be Johnson's fault.

The first independence ref failed partly because an independent Scotland would no longer be in the EU and would have to go through the process of joining.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

If it's a choice between Independence and Brexit the Scots will choose independence.


Thus proving my point about whether this is really about Scottish independence, or about the EU annexing land.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/06/26/the-problem-with-scotlands-desire-to-be-in-the-eu-they-wouldnt-be-accepted-as-members/?sh=7621509d3b6f

Scotland would be territory, not members.

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At which point the EU won't let Scotland in. Not unless they do some fiscal contraction amounting to a good 5% or so of GDP. That is, fiscal contraction very much worse that that imposed by "The Tories" which the SNP are complaining so bitterly about. And that's why the SNP don't actually want what they're claiming to want, independence and then EU entry. Because imposing that sort of austerity on their own nation, when they are obviously in charge and responsible, would kill them as a political party.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:27 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:
Quote:
The UK is one of the founders of the Council of Europe and thus the European Court of Human Rights.


I think the US helped found the UN, but now they pay the bulk in fees, and the UN no longer serves their interests. Likewise, it seems entirely possible that the European Court of Human Rights no longer acts on behalf of human rights but on behalf of EU. The way to test this is if the refugee camp is on a comfortable tropical island. But I suspect they'd immediately complain of dangerous wildlife anywhere but Great Britain.

I didn't write abou the UN or the US but about the ECHR, the international court of the Council of Europe.
The CoE has 46 member states, 5 Council observers and 3 Assembly observers.
The UK is one of the founders and a member since the beginning (5 May 1949).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:30 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:
Thus proving my point about whether this is really about Scottish independence, or about the EU annexing land.
You really have no ideas about what you write.
But from "no ideas" really many.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 06:47 am
@bulmabriefs144,
Every time I think you can't be that stupid, you prove me wrong.

You know nothing about Scotland, the UK or the EU.

That's the one point you've made, and it's proven.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 08:27 am
@izzythepush,
[Not at all directed to you, izzy!]

Nicola Sturgeon (the First Minister of Scotland and Leader of the Scottish National Party) plans to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence in October next year if her government secures the legal approval to stage it.

Sturgeon acknowledged on Tuesday those included potentially significant trade and business challenges if an independent Scotland rejoined the EU and had to introduce a customs border with the rest of the UK.
Scotland would join the common travel area, which still allows the free flow of people between the UK and Ireland, she said, but there would be customs challenges for goods and services.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2022 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It means that Irish goods will be able to bypass England and Wales completely en route to mainland Europe.

Out of the all the G20 countries we're set to be one of the worst performing economically, second only to Russia.

Everyone else has had to deal with Covid and the war in Ukraine, we're the only ones who have Brexit as well.
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