Progress is possible on (gun safety) despite (Republican) obstruction.

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Progress is possible on (gun safety) despite (Republican) obstruction.

Ali Velshi looks at examples of gun safety regulations that have been enacted recently despite the
resistance by national Republicans to helping to solve the problem of gun violence. Josh Koskoff
joins to discuss the success he has had as the attorney for Sandy Hook families, holding gun
makers to account in court.

Published May 25, 2022

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@Real Music,

Ali Velshi is a terrific reporter.

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@glitterbag,

I agree.

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@Real Music,

Real Music wrote:

...holding gun makers to account in court.

I don't think that's right or fair. They're not the ones who allow people to buy guns with no background checks or who allow people to buy AK15s or whatever they are. They should be suing state and federal politicians who vote for these laws.

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@Mame,

Thry're the ones making profits vrom death, they're the ones who fund the child murdering NRA and politicians who refuse to ammend the right to shoot up schools in any way.

They're at the centre of all this, and as we can't shoot their children in front of them, going for the wallet seems the best alternative.

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@Mame,

Have you ever seen Runaway Juror? That is exactly what they did - was sue the gun manufacturer (now of course that is a movie).

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@Mame,

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I don't think that's right or fair. They're not the ones who allow people to buy guns with no background checks or who allow people to buy AK15s or whatever they are.

1. It's not as simple as you are describing.

2. In the youtube video I posted at the top of this thread, attorney Josh Koskoff did explain the
(basis) of the lawsuit.

3. I think it is important to the conversation to understand the actual (basis) of the lawsuit and the
(basis) of why the lawsuit was successful.

4. I don't know if you had viewed the video I posted.

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@Real Music,

Real Music wrote:

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I don't think that's right or fair. They're not the ones who allow people to buy guns with no background checks or who allow people to buy AK15s or whatever they are.

1. It's not as simple as you are describing.

2. In the youtube video I posted at the top of this thread, attorney Josh Koskoff did explain the
(basis) of the lawsuit.

3. I think it is important to the conversation to understand the actual (basis) of the lawsuit and the
(basis) of why the lawsuit was successful.

4. I don't know if you had viewed the video I posted.

It's much like the lawsuits against the tobacco and opioid industries. They push decidedly dangerous products—which in the case of guns are expressly injurious and lethal; that is their purpose after all—with deficient regard for discretion, caution and safety.

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@InfraBlue,

Yes, but they are allowed and even encouraged to do so. They're not encouraging people to shoot others.

Only farmers, ranchers and hunters should have rifles and they don't need AK47s (or whatever they are) and only police, the military and prison guards should have hand guns. No one else NEEDS a gun. You can protect yourself with a variety of implements that won't cause death (unless that's the intention).

The NRA should be abolished. It's terrible what's happening down there. Completely out of control and seemingly unstoppable. Americans should give their heads a shake and vote out the pro-gun politicians.

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@Mame,

Well first, we aren't serfs and you aren't our master. You don't have any say over what guns we can or can't have.

We'll buy whatever kinds of guns we feel like owning, and you have no say in the matter.

And second, that you think civil liberties organizations should be abolished says a lot about your political views. What is it about tyranny that always appeals so much to the left?

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Real Music wrote:

Ali Velshi looks at examples of gun safety regulations that have been enacted recently despite the resistance by national Republicans to helping to solve the problem of gun violence.

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties or support fascism will invoke some variation of "common sense". This Velshi character is no exception.

Republicans are not resisting attempts to solve the problem of gun violence (which isn't actually a problem, but one thing at a time).

What Republicans are resisting are Democratic efforts to violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

Ali Velshi is a terrific reporter.

He sure gets a lot of facts wrong. Remington didn't settle anything. Their insurers did.

I'm glad I'm not a stockholder of any of their insurers. I'd be pissed off right now if I were.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

It's much like the lawsuits against the tobacco and opioid industries. They push decidedly dangerous products—which in the case of guns are expressly injurious and lethal; that is their purpose after all—with deficient regard for discretion, caution and safety.

When it comes to gun advertising, how is the regard for discretion, caution and safety deficient?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Thry're the ones making profits from death,

It's just the opposite. They make profits from selling lifesaving tools.

Every case of self defense is a life saved.

izzythepush wrote:

they're the ones who fund the child murdering NRA

The NRA doesn't murder anyone. They merely prevent progressives from violating people's civil liberties.

Preventing progressives from violating people's civil liberties deprives those progressives of some of their sadistic fun, but it does not result in a single death.

izzythepush wrote:

and politicians who refuse to ammend the right to shoot up schools in any way.

There is no right to shoot up schools. Doing so is a crime.

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@Mame,

Mame wrote:

I don't think that's right or fair. They're not the ones who allow people to buy guns with no background checks or who allow people to buy AK15s or whatever they are. They should be suing state and federal politicians who vote for these laws.

Suing legislators for passing (or not passing) laws???

No background checks in the US? Since when?

The reason why people are allowed to buy AR-15s is because there is no justification for restricting the ownership of AR-15s.

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Looks like you are back from vacation.

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@oralloy,

By taking their lethal purpose and pandering to macho and adolescent susceptibilities.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/06/19/multimedia/19guncountry-print-2/merlin_208615968_97b5efec-2d7f-4da5-afad-1e826dff6620-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp

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@InfraBlue,

I don't see any disregard for discretion, caution, or safety there.

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@oralloy,

I do.

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@InfraBlue,

Nationally, Republicans have worked harder to keep trans kids out of restrooms than shooters out of schools.

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