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They knew the vaxx damage the immune system - Study

 
 
JB70
 
Fri 29 Apr, 2022 03:07 am
Disgusting evil people.

"Moderna Knew Vaccinated People Will Never Acquire Proper Immunity After Breakthrough Infections"

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/moderna-knew-vaccinated-people-will?s=r
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hightor
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 03:43 am
@JB70,
This Igor Chudov guy thinks that omicron was a man-made strain of the virus – I suspect he's a crackpot. Real medical research isn't carried on in paid newsletters like substack. I think he's just angling for donations.


izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 03:45 am
@JB70,
JB70 wrote:

Disgusting evil people.


That should be your tagline.
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JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 03:46 am
@hightor,
It looks like the statistics may support the theory that there is damage to the immune system.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1516987975518851076?cxt=HHwWiMC4ldihto0qAAAA
JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 05:06 am
"Assuming two doses of moderna at 25 micrograms has a net benefit to the now upwards of 70 % of children with positive sero prevalence is bizarre. The right answer is uncertainty."

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1519831584844615681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1519831584844615681%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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hightor
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 05:16 am
@JB70,
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It looks like the statistics may support the theory that there is damage to the immune system.

And they may not. I think I'd wait until this conclusion is established through extensive testing rather than jumping to conclusions based on a comment on a social media platform. The author, posting under a pseudonym, is also a climate skeptic.
JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 05:45 am
@hightor,
There are no long term safety studies. You don´t need to know more than that to stay away.

And this study is not that difficult to understand on a basic level.
So why are you more interested in the people than what the research shows?



hightor
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 06:50 am
@JB70,
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So why are you more interested in the people than what the research shows?

Because I don't have any experience in medical research but have seen lots of people make fraudulent claims and spread malicious lies online. In addition, I've noticed a characteristic online phenomenon where people who are not experts raise doubts about explanations of events in the news and attempt to undermine their widespread acceptance. They can avail themselves of the wide range of specious material and outright misinformation all slickly presented as the result of "legitimate research". We all saw this with regard to the destruction of the World Trade Center by crazed Islamists and all the "alternative facts" which were rolled out in what became practically a cottage industry.

It's very possible that the mRNA vaccines are not perfect. But that doesn't mean that they're part of a plot to make everyone sick. Or that the global recession was planned. Or that there's some underlying grand design run by a clandestine network of overlords. Or any of a host of other things that have no connection to each other than having happened within a certain period of time.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:06 am
@JB70,
What a load of horse ****.

Not enough time time to know if it's good, but plenty of time to know otherwise. What ******* total nonsense.

Tell me about how long the studies were for horse de-wormer and chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.

I hope you ate your share and mine, you disgusting evil person.
JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:13 am
@hightor,
Sure of course it does not have to be a conspiracy.

It could be a misstake. Scientists make misstakes all the time.

izzythepush
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:16 am
@JB70,
It is a conspiracy.

You are part of the conspiracy that conspires against public health by spreading LIES and disinformation.

It is no mistake, you are spreading pro Putin propaganda.
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JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Why don´t you look at the study??

It´s not complicated. Read about S and N-protein. The vaxx induced antibodies do not give the broader protection like an infection. Vaxx recognize the S. Infections recognize S and N.

If i understand the study it also may show these vaxx induced antibodies outcompete the better ones. Like Vanden Bossche says.

So with new variants vaccinated have less and less protection.


"for any given viral copy number, the odds of anti-N seropositivity were 13.67 times higher for the placebo arm than the vaccine arm "


bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:37 am
@JB70,
I read it it. It's pure conjecture.

Why don't YOU read what CDC releases? It's been watching the whole time.

Explain why the conspiracy wants to kill everyone. Explain why getting covid is no guarantee at all of not getting it again.

How much untested de-wormer did you eat?
JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 07:55 am
@bobsal u1553115,
More studies are necessary but this one and the others are way more than enough to end the experiment.

"First do no harm"

I don´t trust CDC.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 10:13 am
@JB70,
And I don't trust your uneducated source.

How many internet "cures" for covid have you tried? Horse dewormer etc? Are you still unvaxxed because Fox told you not to???
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neptuneblue
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 11:07 am
@JB70,
JB70 wrote:
"Moderna Knew Vaccinated People Will Never Acquire Proper Immunity After Breakthrough Infections"


Well, having Covid doesn't aquire proper immunity either.

What doctors wish patients knew about long COVID
MAR 11, 2022 Sara Berg, MS AMA NEWS WIRE

Most people with COVID-19 won’t become severely ill and will often get better within weeks of illness. The odds of illness severe enough to warrant hospitalization are dramatically lowered if you stay up to date on your COVID-19 vaccine, including a booster dose.

Advancing public health
The AMA leads the charge on public health. Our members are the frontline of patient care, expanding access to care for underserved patients and developing key prevention strategies.

But even a mild SARS-CoV-2 infection can cause long COVID. And with the high transmissibility of the Omicron variant—which often results in milder disease outcomes—many patients may be concerned about developing long COVID.

It is estimated that anywhere from 10% to 30% of patients might experience long COVID after recovering—even if they weren’t very sick in the first place. This leaves many COVID long-haulers with questions about symptoms and what to do. One physician aims to clear up confusion about long-haul COVID-19 and what patients can expect.

Long COVID—or post-COVID conditions—is a wide range of new, returning or ongoing health problems people may experience more than four weeks after being first infected with SARS-CoV-2. Even people who did not have any symptoms can experience long COVID, which can present as different types and combinations of health problems and can range in lengths of time, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

At the June 2021 AMA Special Meeting, delegates adopted policy to support “the development of an ICD-10 code or family of codes to recognize Post-Acute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 infection (‘PASC’ or ‘long COVID’) and other novel post-viral syndromes as a distinct diagnosis.” Read about the AMA’s support for more resources to help millions living with long COVID.

The AMA’s What Doctors Wish Patients Knew™ series provides physicians with a platform to share what they want patients to understand about today’s health care headlines, especially throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.

For this installment, AMA member Devang Sanghavi, MD, took the time to discuss what patients need to know about long-haul COVID. Dr. Sanghavi is an intensivist and medical director of the medical intensive care unit (ICU) at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida Since summer of 2020, he has seen about 100 patients with long COVID, many of whom take weeks to recover.

There are three types of long COVID
Long COVID can be broken down into three categories, Dr. Sanghavi explained. “COVID-19 itself has direct cell damage because of the virus and this can cause lingering symptoms.”

This means that people with COVID-19 “do not recover completely and have ongoing symptoms because of direct cell damage from the virus,” he said. That’s the first category.

The second category of long COVID is when a person’s “symptoms are related to chronic hospitalization,” said Dr. Sanghavi. “This is when someone is in the hospital, ICU, bed bound for weeks.

“There is inherent muscle weakness. There is inherent cognitive brain dysfunction. There is inherent psychosocial stress causing post-traumatic stress disorder-like syndrome, which we call post-ICU care syndrome,” he added. “That is from chronic hospitalization.”

In a third category are those cases in which symptoms appear after recovery.

“With COVID itself you see a variety of symptoms—a 30-year-old dying or a 70-year-old essentially being unscathed and symptomatic.”

That’s because “there are various patient factors at play,” reflecting the “interplay with the immune system of a person, and then the impact that both those things have on the body,” he said. These “symptoms that linger on are produced after the recovery because of this interplay between inflammatory markers and the immune system.

“We are still trying to understand exactly how this interplay between immune system and inflammatory markers work, but there's no doubt that that is a group of symptoms because of ramped up immunity or ramped up inflammatory system,” he added.

Severity requires attention sooner
“Based on the symptoms a person is experiencing, you can divide them based on their severity and chronicity,” said Dr. Sanghavi. “So, something that is more severe will need attention sooner, while something that is more acute may need to be looked into” to determine if it is long COVID or a new condition.

It is possible, he said, that another condition could be “masquerading as long COVID.” For example, “if a patient had no symptoms before and now has new symptoms, you don’t want to label it as long COVID or COVID long haulers before you rule out other conditions.”

No organ system is spared
“Symptoms of long COVID are like COVID-19 itself, because it affects all organ systems,” said Dr. Sanghavi, noting that the basic systemic symptoms are “fatigue, post-COVID syndrome and post exertional malaise.

“You can have anxiety, depression, insomnia and what we call cognitive dysfunction or brain fog,” he added. “There’s also loss of taste and smell.”

Cardiac symptoms include “palpitation from tachycardia and bradycardia,” Dr. Sanghavi added. Respiratory symptoms are the most well-known and include “shortness of breath, which is a result of hypoxemia from damage to the lungs.”

Additionally, “you can have loss of appetite from gastrointestinal symptoms and bowel issues like diarrhea, which can stay on,” he said. “From a kidney standpoint, patients have had acute kidney injury, which the kidneys probably don’t recover from.

“Someone who has chronic kidney disease may be pushed to getting long-term dialysis after COVID,” Dr. Sanghavi added. “As far as hematologic issues or concerns, we have seen patients who after initial recovery end up with a blood clot.”

In terms of skin conditions, “some patients have come up with hair loss and rashes as symptoms,” he said, adding that some endocrine patients have experienced sick euthyroid syndrome.

“There's a whole slew of symptoms affecting a variety of organ systems,” Dr. Sanghavi said. “No organ system is spared from long COVID, just like how COVID affects all these organ systems during acute illness.”

Long COVID affects children too
While initial data was lacking, “now there’s clear evidence to suggest that there are a number of children who have long COVID symptoms and their symptoms are somewhat similar to adults,” said Dr. Sanghavi. Children are “complaining about fatigue and a difficulty in concentration, which is important for them in school and learning.

“Insomnia is one of the other symptoms that they’ve been talking about in various surveys and interviews,” he added. But the good news is that “it seems like it’s much lower than in adults.”

“The key difference between long COVID in adults and children is that the symptoms may be similar, but the number of patients affected is lower in kids,” Dr. Sanghavi said. “And then most of these symptoms tend to go away within a couple of months.”

Women are affected more than men
“Recent studies have shown that there is an increased percentage of females, as compared to males, who have long COVID syndrome,” said Dr. Sanghavi, noting “this is not specific to the Western world. This is across Asia, Europe and America, and similar trends are being seen.

“Predominantly middle-aged females become affected from long COVID more than males, and that is another thing—there’s a historical perspective to this, and it is not a unique thing to post-COVID syndrome,” he added. “However, we still need to focus more on this particular topic to discern the exact difference and why this is happening more in females.”

“If you have long COVID symptoms, you should seek care,” said Dr. Sanghavi, adding that “as we have seen in a lot of these surveys and studies about post-COVID syndrome is that usually this condition doesn't come with just one symptom—there's a cluster of symptoms.

“Don't label it as post-COVID right away,” he added. “You want to make sure that it's not something new, and then you obviously want to make sure that your symptoms are addressed, based on the severity.”

He noted that “a lot of hospital systems have set up multidisciplinary clinics or post COVID clinics to deal with this very issue,” Dr. Sanghavi said, noting that “the approach to post-COVID syndrome should be holistic. It should be comprehensive, because the symptoms are multitiered and affect multiple organ systems.”

That is the goal of these post-COVID clinics, “so that all symptoms are addressed in an appropriate manner,” he said.

Vaccination can prevent long COVID
COVID-19 vaccines are “safe and effective, even though some patients may experience breakthrough infections,” said Dr. Sanghavi. “What is reassuring is that patients who were vaccinated, in those rare instances where they got a breakthrough infection those patients are 50% less likely to develop long COVID or post COVID syndrome.”

“The vaccines are effective. But in those rare instances where you do get an infection despite vaccination, this protects you from having post-COVID syndrome—there’s a double insurance.”

You’re not alone
“Help is available for patients. There is no reason why patients should not seek care and help,” said Dr. Sanghavi. “The other thing that everyone should know is that they are not alone in this.

“There are millions of others like them who are suffering and have similar symptoms,” he added. “The key is forming support groups and using technology to fight this thing together.”

“Our best minds in the field of medicine are working to crack the code and find better treatment options for long COVID patients,” said Dr. Sanghavi. “The best way to avoid long COVID is to fight COVID-19.

“There are three vaccines available in the United States, so pick your choice and get vaccinated,” he added. “And if you qualify for a booster, get a booster dose whenever that is available and protect yourself from this virus.”

Beyond getting vaccinated, “if we wear a mask in indoor settings, wash our hands, physically distance and do what we’re supposed to do, we can end the pandemic and decrease these incidences of long COVID,” Dr. Sanghavi explained.

Learn more from this AMA Journal of Ethics® personal narrative, “The Importance of Listening in Treating Invisible Illness and Long-Haul COVID-19.”

The AMA has developed a COVID-19 resource center as well as a physician’s guide to COVID-19 to give doctors a comprehensive place to find the latest resources and updates from the CDC and the World Health Organization.
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-long-covid#:~:text=Long%20COVID%E2%80%94or%20post%2DCOVID,with%20SARS%2DCoV%2D2.
JB70
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 12:32 pm
@neptuneblue,
Long Covid or the vaxx. Guess we will see in the stats eventually.

neptuneblue
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 01:02 pm
@JB70,
Or not...

Scary Reports of Deaths Following COVID-19 Vaccination Aren’t What They Seem

You might have seen the headlines on social media.

“COVID-19 Vaccine-Related Fatalities Exceed 6,000.”

“6,000% Increase in Reported Vaccine Deaths 1st Quarter 2021 Compared to 1st Quarter 2020.”

No matter your vaccination status or your feelings about getting the shot, those headlines likely give you pause. Can those numbers be right?

These and similar shocking claims are the latest examples of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. And as with most misinformation, these statements get traction because they start with a kernel of truth — in this case raw data from a reputable source.

The data and source
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) was established in 1990 as a national early warning system to detect potential safety problems with vaccines. It is managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The system allows anyone who has received a vaccine (not just a COVID-19 vaccine) to report “adverse events” (think side effects) that they experience following vaccination. Health care providers are required to submit reports of events that come to their attention even if the events clearly have no relationship to vaccination.

The system serves to alert federal health authorities to potential safety concerns, but it is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a particular problem. All reports to the system are unverified.

Since December 2020, more than 469 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been administered in the U.S., and VAERS has received 10,483 reports of death (0.0022%), according to the CDC. (Numbers as of Dec. 29, 2021.)

However, that statistic offers no insight into the cause of death for those people. If a 90-year-old nursing home resident got the vaccine and then died days, weeks or even months later of another ailment, the resident’s death would be reported to VAERS.

The misinformation strategy
Opponents of vaccination use the VAERS numbers in statements that suggest cause-and-effect conclusions. This misinformation then influences some people not to be vaccinated.

In this case, the numbers are correct, but the presumed conclusions are not.

Stevan Whitt, MD, an infectious disease doctor and chief clinical officer at MU Health Care, gets questions about these claims regularly, and he wants people to have the right information.

“This intentional misrepresentation is a powerful tactic to sow confusion among large groups of people,” Whitt said.

To address the misinformation about VAERS, the CDC shares context around adverse events associated with the COVID-19 vaccines and emphasizes that reports of deaths (and other adverse events) do not necessarily mean the vaccines are to blame. “A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” the CDC notes.

Meanwhile, what we do know for sure is that more than 58 million U.S. residents have been infected and more than 800,000 have died from COVID-19, and the vaccine is one of the best tools to slow the spread of the virus and save lives.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/scary-reports-deaths-following-covid-19-vaccination-arent-what-they-seem
Theo202
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 11:50 pm
@hightor,
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Real medical research isn't carried on in paid newsletters like substack.

What is the difference between "real medical research" and the information in Kirsch's newsletter?
Theo202
 
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Fri 29 Apr, 2022 11:58 pm
@neptuneblue,
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However, that statistic offers no insight into the cause of death for those people.

It doesn't matter. If there's a statistical correlation between the rollout of the therapy and all-cause mortality, and there's no other explanation, then the most reasonable position to take is to presume that the therapy caused the mortality - until such time as an alternative explanation is found which better fits the facts.
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