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No interest in Karen Hughes? What's going on?

 
 
sumac
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2005 06:22 pm
Yes, sigh, she is a very smart woman, and has a much better personality than many in the present administration. sigh.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 08:49 am
Hughes confirmation appearance
Last week, longtime Bush adviser Karen Hughes appeared before the Senate to lay out her ideas for rebuilding America's reputation abroad. Bush nominated Hughes last spring to head up the State Department's efforts to counter anti-Americanism overseas. During the hearing, Sen. Richard Lugar, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Hughes that the U.S.'s public diplomacy was "dysfunctional and requires major reform." Hughes agreed, admitting that reversing anti-American sentiment abroad would be a "massive undertaking" and could span generations. "Perceptions do not change quickly or easily," she said. She might want to start by suggesting a change of approach at the White House.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 11:22 am
And my question still stands: She is too important a personage to be wasted or underutilized. What are they planning that she do?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 11:28 am
i don't care for Hughes but I think she has an important job and sending a woman to do it sends a message to misogynist cultures.

Anti-Americanism is a lot closer to anti-semitism than you might think.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 11:42 am
panzade wrote:
i don't care for Hughes but I think she has an important job and sending a woman to do it sends a message to misogynist cultures.

Anti-Americanism is a lot closer to anti-semitism than you might think.


yes. yes. and it really is.

it will be interesting to see how they react to, not only a woman, but a woman with a little bad ass attitude. we don't really have to like her to hope that she can get some sort of movement out of those blockheads.

evrything cool down your way, pan ?
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 12:09 pm
The Middle East has a much, much longer and more culturally embedded history of misogyny than it does that of anti-Americanism. If I were at the helm, I would not be sending another woman (remember SOS Rice?)out there with that assignment, and for that very reason. People need more reasons to dismiss what you are saying? Nah.....

As far as I can see it, we only have a glimpse of the reality here:

a. It is a position, a job, a salary = money.
b. It is in the State Department.
c. It is being filled by a very intelligent, well connected woman, who has the confidence and ear of the President.

Does someone think that she can be lower on the radar if working out of the State Department?

In this noble endeavor to change the perception of America in the eyes of the world, over decades and generations (like the war on terrorism), how, and with what tools, will she approach the problem?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 12:58 pm
sumac wrote:
In this noble endeavor to change the perception of America in the eyes of the world, over decades and generations (like the war on terrorism), how, and with what tools, will she approach the problem?


good question.

i'd imagine that the first step is to identify what their gripes are. somehow i think that the iraq war is really only a catalyst for something that has been simmering for a while.

what i tend to hear from my european friends is that the perception is that while america has all kinds of cool stuff, americans as a people are arrogant cowboys. the bush approach hasn't doen much to prove them wrong, as far as they're concerned.

the middle east is a different story. i hate to say it, but i really do think that the root of the problem is the religion of islam. it's "commandments" claim that is evil to do harm to another muslim. everyone else, unconverted and infidelic, is fair game. the talk usually goes to the crusades, but it seems to be forgotten that the islamics invaded southern europe later on.

europe should be fairly easy to repair relations with.

the middle east ? ehh, not sure we ever really had any. and it's not likely that they will give up their religion to be palsey-walsey with the u.s.

it's kind of telling that the grateful, liberated iraqis are doing their best to weave sharia as deeply into their constitution as they can. and considering what's going on in our own country, it would be hypocritical to insist that they demonstrate a clear separation between church and state.

all in all, ms. hughes is gonna have quite a full plate, don't you think ?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 01:02 pm
DUPE
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 01:15 pm
Impossible task, I should think. Which leads you back to the very question itself. What is she doing there, and why?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 02:23 pm
Quote:
evrything cool down your way, pan ?


it's cooelll as the 12 year old pronounces it.

On the last leg of the bathroom remodel....akkkk
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 07:05 pm
sumac wrote:
And my question still stands: She is too important a personage to be wasted or underutilized. What are they planning that she do?


I question whether you know the extent of her job and her responsibiltites......She is now the captain of the ship and it's a BIG ship. She has been Bush's do everything girl up until now. Now she is the boss and Bush will give her the tools to do the job.

You may not see anything happen immediately as it did with Rice but I guarentee it will happen.

She will try, very covertly, to discredit Al Jazeera, and the sick ideas of Islamo Fascism.

She will create a TV propaganda machine( because a picture is worth a thousand words and TV images need no translation) to take the place of Al Jazeera.

Those TV images will be transmitted by every means possible and there is a wide array of technical means avail including powerful satelite transmissions that will overpower any other source. Up until now any effort in this area has been fragmented with no real central focus. That will change very quickly. The US has been reluctant to create a real propaganda machine because of criticism from the Left......I think even the Left realizes it was wrong.

Al Jazeera is the propaganda arm of Al Queda and what does terrorism need to survive.........world wide publicity. What would happen if everytime Al Jazeera tried to transmit images of a beheading or a car bombing, they were blanked out by another very powerful program?
It's going to be called Bush Hardball propaganda and you will hear the Left howl about how unfair it is.........Like the London police commissioner said......other people may get shot......my order stands ........ My officers will shoot to protect..

The same can apply to TV signals........our people will destroy any signal that is meant to incite violence and hatred.and instead you can watch our regular programming of American volunteers feeding the hungry in Africa or our military feeding and transporting survivors of the Tsunami or any of a thousand TV images showing good work done by Americans instead of the trash that Hollywood put out when they had a small part in our image transformation effort.......yeah can you imagine hiring left wing hollywood people who hate America to participate in changing our image.....what a laugh. Thats exactly what the sick culture of the old US State Dept did when Powell was Sec of State.

Or we may transmit prayer services led by moderate Muslims around the world. There are a thousand messages that can be transmitted that will have a calming effect instead of the incitement to violence currently being broadcast by Al Jazeera.

The mind of Islam is on fire and it needs to be calmed and eventually extinguished by the good teachings of the Koran.

All this may just be wishful thinking but I truly believe we are capable of doing exactly this and the time has come for the world to see Bush Hardball propaganda with the levers being pulled by Karen Hughes.

rayban
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 07:31 pm
Well said, rayban 1. You said:

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I question whether you know the extent of her job and her responsibiltites......


I certainly don't know the extent of her job and her responsibilities. That was my very question.

Surely if we are going to try to reverse the anti-American feelings around the globe, we would not restrict ourselves to what is coming out of one TV station in one part of the world?

Surely?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 09:37 pm
sumac wrote:
Well said, rayban 1. You said:

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I question whether you know the extent of her job and her responsibiltites......


I certainly don't know the extent of her job and her responsibilities. That was my very question.

Surely if we are going to try to reverse the anti-American feelings around the globe, we would not restrict ourselves to what is coming out of one TV station in one part of the world?

Surely?


That is just the first step in a three year global effort. Of course the next president will pull the plug and we will go back to being politcally correct around the globe...................
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:44 am
Trying to take the place of AlJazeera...well, I think that's a big mistake. It'll never happen. Better to do like the old Radio Free Europe and try to spread the good word without resorting to propaganda.
AlJazeera is suprisingly even in its reporting as you'll see if you take a look at their web site

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 05:40 am
Three year effort? Do you know something, or is this your assumption that this effort is a product of the present administration, which will not be continued by others?

I agree that jamming with counter-programming would be exceedingly childish, counter-productive, and would lead to even more anti-Americanism.

There are better ways to approach this.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 06:22 am
And below is an article from today's Washington Post, of obvious relevance to this topic, and placing the possessed question here in context.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/30/AR2005073001081_pf.html


washingtonpost.com
At State, Rice Takes Control of Diplomacy
Secretary Summons 'Practical Idealism'

By Robin Wright and Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, July 31, 2005; A01



Three weeks after taking office, Condoleezza Rice hosted Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and their Japanese counterparts at the State Department. When Rumsfeld began to speak, Rice gently cut him off. The message was clear: I'll take the lead, Don. Both Japanese and U.S. officials noted the decisive nudge.

Now six months on the job, Rice has clearly wrested control of U.S. foreign policy. The once heavy-handed Defense Department still weighs in, but Rice wins most battles -- in strong contrast to her predecessor, Colin L. Powell. White House staff is consulted, but Rice designed the distinctive framework for the administration's second-term foreign policy.

In short order, she has demonstrated a willingness to bend on tactics to accommodate the concerns of allies without ceding on broad principles, what she calls "practical idealism." She also conducts a more aggressive personal diplomacy, breaking State Department records for foreign travel and setting up diplomatic tag teams with top staff on urgent issues.

U.S. foreign policy has always had "a streak of idealism, which means that we care about values, we care about principle," Rice said in an interview last week. "The responsibility, then, of all of us is to take policies that are rooted in those values and make them work on a day-to-day basis so that you're always moving forward toward a goal."

It is too early to know whether the new tactics will ultimately bring results, and many of Rice's steps so far this year have been limited to overtures or temporary fixes. But those have at the least created momentum where before there was deadlock.

On North Korea, Rice got the prickly Pyongyang government back to six-nation talks last week on nuclear disarmament by publicly recognizing it as a "sovereign state," then empowering her top aide on East Asia to repeatedly meet privately with the North Koreans -- extended contact forbidden during Powell's era.

On Iran, Rice agreed to offer incentives -- allowing the Islamic republic to apply for eventual membership in the World Trade Organization and buy badly needed spare parts for aging passenger aircraft -- in exchange for a European pledge to support U.N. Security Council action if talks fail. Powell had trouble just getting the White House to drop language including Iran in an "axis of evil," which implied eventual confrontation.

With India, she brokered a deal to sell peaceful nuclear technology that will cement U.S.-India relations, but which may also risk undermining the treaty to halt nuclear weapons proliferation.

On Sudan, Rice found middle ground between the administration's rejection of the International Criminal Court and U.N. efforts to launch a war crimes investigation into violence in the Darfur region. The State Department helped draft a U.N. resolution supporting an international probe that would pass -- but on which Washington could abstain.

In the interview, Rice said she discovered on her first European trip that, particularly on the Iran issue, "somehow we'd gotten into a position where it was the United States that was the problem . . . that was not a good place to be." So she formulated action that put the onus back on Iran and, later, North Korea.

"Sometimes the power of diplomacy is not just saying no, but figuring out a way to protect your interests and principles to help the other guy -- or in this case the other countries -- move forward as well," Undersecretary of State R. Nicholas Burns said. "It is the kind of diplomacy some of our critics had felt we were no longer capable of, that we were a kind of superpower saying 'yes' or 'no' but not anywhere in between."

Still, the major global challenges of President Bush's first term remain unsolved in the second. Winning agreements from either Pyongyang or Tehran to end their nuclear programs remains elusive. And more than 2 million Sudanese are now stuck in refugee camps, their villages and livelihoods destroyed, with no solution in sight.

Rice's legacy is more likely to be determined by two historic challenges: salvaging the U.S. intervention in Iraq and making headway in promoting democracy in the Islamic world. On both, long-term strategies are not yet visible.

"If we are not able to find a meaningful or satisfying closure to Iraq, whatever definition of success we can rally around, whatever good ideas they have for the rest of the world will be undermined," said Derek Chollet, former foreign policy adviser to John Edwards, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate. "All of this will be words if they don't get Iraq right."

'Did Not Yield'

Rice has worked hard -- at a pace that sometimes seems like a campaign -- to overcome her image during Bush's first term as a weak national security adviser who struggled to mediate among the strong-willed personalities vying to shape foreign policy. As secretary of state, she has surprised allies with her blunt use of diplomatic tools to make a point.

Rice cancelled a visit to Egypt and temporarily suspended $200 million in aid to signal displeasure with the arrest of a pro-reform politician. She also scrubbed a visit to Canada when it nixed participation in U.S. missile defense, a trip still not rescheduled. During a stop in Saudi Arabia, she publicly told the desert kingdom to enfranchise women. And after a trip through the rocky hills of the West Bank, where she noted new Jewish settlement construction, she cautioned Israel that more building might violate an agreement it made with Bush a year earlier.

On her first trip abroad, Rice warned the European Union not to lift an arms embargo on China, telling diplomats they would rue the day if U.S. troops ever faced European-armed Chinese soldiers across the Taiwan straits. Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, who then held the rotating European Union presidency, was so startled by her tough talk that he spilled his coffee in the lap of European foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

"The Europeans sent delegation after delegation saying, 'Please be more flexible.' She did not yield," Burns said. "She told them, 'You've united the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress. That's not an easy thing to do.' " The Europeans ultimately shelved their plan.

Colleagues have dubbed Rice the "velvet hammer." Philip Zelikow, State Department counselor and a close adviser, said that "one of her gifts is that she knows how to say very direct things to foreign governments in a way that is not confrontational. She is very assertive, very firm, but doesn't leave them feeling sullen and resentful."

When Rice rescheduled her trip to Cairo last month, she used it to give the first speech by a senior U.S. official on Arab soil that challenged Arab leaders to embrace democracy.

"The world's general reaction to her has been positive so far," Egyptian Ambassador Nabil Fahmy said. "That's not to say we agree with everything she says or does, but that's not the criteria."

Unlike Powell, Rice enjoys taking her case on the road -- spending more than a third of her time traveling, often on punishing schedules that include flying all night in the cramped quarters of Air Force Two.

When Rice visited Paris in February to give a speech on U.S.-European relations, French Ambassador Jean David Levitte said, she "really changed the atmosphere -- of the media, of public opinion -- about the Bush administration. It was really a turning point."

Because of her impact generally after first six months, he concluded, Rice is "probably the most powerful secretary of state in decades."

'Art of Diplomacy'

Rice has worked to redefine administration strategy on several fronts and, in the process, has ended much of the internal squabbling, insiders say. During Bush's first term, foreign policy had two competing themes, framed by "realists" under Powell at State who sought pragmatic accommodation with the world on common goals, and "neo-conservatives" at the Pentagon and Vice President Cheney's office who had grand visions of remaking the world, even if it meant defying allies.

For the second term, Rice has charted a strategy spanning both -- her "practical idealism."

"Somebody said that, you know, the art of diplomacy is getting everybody to the place that your policies are their policies," Rice said. "Well, some of diplomacy is finding a place where your policies and their policies come together. And I think that's what we've been spending a lot of time on."

Rice's control over policy has been enhanced because she has a close relationship with the president, and is the first secretary of state since Henry A. Kissinger to serve first as national security adviser. Stephen J. Hadley, the former deputy who inherited her old job, "has taken kind of the backseat role," said a Middle East envoy, echoing several other diplomats as well as U.S. officials. "Everything is run and coordinated from State." Bush, said one outside adviser, "trusts her absolutely, as a counselor, as a friend, as a member of the family."

Rice still has a strong cautious streak. Public comments are constrained, often only bland talking points. She has made three visits to Israel to coordinate its departure from Gaza, but some experts say her intervention has been too sporadic to ensure that the Israelis and Palestinians work together. And despite expertise on Russia, she has focused on cooperation with President Vladimir Putin on non-Russian issues, while avoiding confrontation over his erosion of democracy.

More than anything, Rice has placed the president's promotion of democracy in the Arab world at the top of the agenda. It is a theme she hits repeatedly, both overseas and within the bowels of the department.

At a town-hall meeting with State Department staff last month, Rice compared the early 21st century with the 1940s, "another time when, after war, the United States was confronted with an international environment that was changing rapidly. . . . I think of our goal and our strategy and our purpose as trying to use American diplomacy to build a firm foundation now at the end, again, of a great national trauma."

In a leap of faith 60 years ago, Rice told her staff, the United States argued that Japan could become a democracy, even though its society was not Western and its governments were historically autocratic. Today, after two wars in the Islamic world, Rice believes the Middle East can undergo similar change.

With the honeymoon period ending, Rice still has to prove that her new approach will generate substantive and enduring gains.

"She's off to a strong start. But it takes time to turn a supertanker," said Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "The administration is beginning to realize it's not enough to be strong. We also have to be smart, that we can't secure America's interest solely with force, acting alone. I hope Condi completes the turn from ideology to reality."
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 07:25 am
Sumac
That was an excellent article on Rice and perhaps one focus will be to publicize Rice's speechs and to report favorable comments from other gov'ts....especially Arab gov'ts.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 07:39 am
I enjoyed the article. Thanks
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 07:52 am
I have so much admiration for this amazing woman's accomplishments and work ethic. She is on her way to being one of the United States' most consequential Secretaries of State.

My only regret is that I think she means what she says when it comes to running for president in '08 and to me, that is a real shame. Of course, the flip side of that is that it will give her more time to continue the outstanding job she's doing and that's no small thing.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 08:07 am
JustWonders wrote:
I have so much admiration for this amazing woman's accomplishments and work ethic. She is on her way to being one of the United States' most consequential Secretaries of State.

My only regret is that I think she means what she says when it comes to running for president in '08 and to me, that is a real shame. Of course, the flip side of that is that it will give her more time to continue the outstanding job she's doing and that's no small thing.


I wonder who just giggles is talking about. She seems to be referring to Condi "Asleep at the Switch" Rice but that just can't be.
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