ABORTION.......

I did not say it was the same thing.

I contested your argument that assault charges would be just as effective in protecting a woman's unborn child as the charge of murder and simply revealed this by asking how protected you would feel by applying the same STANDARD OF PROTECTION to you and yours.

You said....that's no protection at all! A murder charge offers more protection for all parties correct?

Bartikus wrote:

I did not say it was the same thing.

So you randomly make analogies for no good reason?

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I contested your argument that assault charges would be just as effective in protecting a woman's unborn child as the charge of murder and simply revealed this by asking how protected you would feel by applying the same STANDARD OF PROTECTION to you and yours.

Which is comparing one to the other, alluding that they are the same.

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You said....that's no protection at all! A murder charge offers more protection for all parties correct?

A murder charge, as it relates to punching a pregnant woman in the belly, in my opinion, wouldn't do a blasted thing to deter someone in the frame of mind to do so. Period. Hell, you could set the punishment to not only charge the offender with murder, but also kill his entire family and I doubt it'd have much affect.

Questioner (or for that matter anyone that would answer this) if science were to prove that a fetus is a human being from conception, would you still feel that the woman's right to choose would trump the child's right to be born?

Questioner wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

I did not say it was the same thing.

So you randomly make analogies for no good reason?

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I contested your argument that assault charges would be just as effective in protecting a woman's unborn child as the charge of murder and simply revealed this by asking how protected you would feel by applying the same STANDARD OF PROTECTION to you and yours.

Which is comparing one to the other, alluding that they are the same.

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You said....that's no protection at all! A murder charge offers more protection for all parties correct?

A murder charge, as it relates to punching a pregnant woman in the belly, in my opinion, wouldn't do a blasted thing to deter someone in the frame of mind to do so. Period. Hell, you could set the punishment to not only charge the offender with murder, but also kill his entire family and I doubt it'd have much affect.

Really?....why is that Questioner?

Is it because anyone who would want to terminate that pregnancy is not clear minded enough to think out the reprecussions of doing so?

How would that frame of mind be any different than a person who killed someone's little niece or something?

Both minds would be seriously warped....don't you agree?

Really?....why is that Questioner?

Is it because anyone who would want to terminate that pregnancy is not clear minded enough to think out the reprecussions of doing so?

What?! It is decided it is a human being and you would still say it's okay to abort the child? And thanx for answering Frank. I can always count on honesty from you and I do appreciate that.

So what makes the woman's rights anymore important than the child's rights?

If the person who kills another (known to be) person is faced with possible murder charges.....How in any way does that give protection from an even more insane mind than the person killing the unborn fetus?

Bartikus wrote:

Really?....why is that Questioner?

Is it because anyone who would want to terminate that pregnancy is not clear minded enough to think out the reprecussions of doing so?

Nope. It's because someone that would punch a pregnant woman in the belly is not in the right frame of mind. Do not seek to add meaning where I haven't supplied it.

I feel like I'm going in circles with you.

Bartikus wrote:

If the person who kills another (known to be) person is faced with possible murder charges.....How in any way does that give protection from an even more insane mind than the person killing the unborn fetus?

Because when you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach, you are assaulting her. Because you are taking a piece of wire and strangling a woman you are killing her.

This is NOT difficult to understand, despite your efforts to muddy the waters enough to produce a point from it all.

Questioner (or for that matter anyone that would answer this) if science were to prove that a fetus is a human being from conception, would you still feel that the woman's right to choose would trump the child's right to be born?

I am afraid I'm pretty speechless right now. All this time I was under a misperception and didn't even know it. I honestly believed that if it were proven that a fetus is a human being from the point of conception that most Pro-Choice people would change their position.

I don't know about everyone else, but it seems Frank would think the woman's right still would trump the right of the child. Actually, I think Phoenix kind of said the same thing to me earlier but I didn't quite catch it then.

I'm speechless.

We will make laws protecting the right to terminate pregnancies even if some protections are stripped from those who CHOOSE the right to have a child.

I had a fertilized chicken egg for breakfast this morning. I got it at the health food store.

I guess there is a difference between a fertilized chicken egg and a fertilized woman.

Something about how high you are on the food chain?

You really can't eat a fertilized woman for breakfast.

Somebody, is a fertilized egg a chicken?

Oh dear, which came first, the chicken or the egg.