ABORTION.......

Eorl,

What makes me think I have the right to control the woman for the period of gestation? Well, since I believe abortion is equal to murder, I think that answers that question.
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Blissfully unaware of the consequences? Surely, you don't mean that since I have, myself been in this situation and I fully know all the consequences.

Slavery of the mother.....? So now being pregnant and carrying a child is putting a woman into slavery? Surely that is not what you mean

Mesquite,

Good to see you! Ok, check out this link for the slavery issue.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

I think that sums it up pretty well.

So, yes, the Bible does condone slavery. However, the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

Good to see you! Ok, check out this link for the slavery issue.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

I think that sums it up pretty well.

Nah, it doesn't sum it up at all. It just glosses over the issue with biblical references to servants among the Hebrew people which is not at all the same thing as the keeping of non Hebrew slaves. The non Hebrew slave keeping described in Leviticus 25 was very similar to the kind of slavery practiced in the US during the 1700's and 1800's, but I think you already knew that.

Ahem. You do know that the Christians weren't even around when the Hebrews were slaves and that it was neither the Jews nor the Christians who had Hebrew slaves, but rather the Egyptians? And was that condoned by God? Not according to the Bible. Moses was the prophet appointed to lead the Hebrews out of that situation. You can read all about it in Exodus in the Old Testament.

IMO this quote from your link is nothing short of a bold faced lie.

Quote:

So, yes, the Bible does condone slavery. However, the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

So putting it all into context, where is the lie? The link MommaAngel posted gave accurate information, and her statement that the slavery the Bible allowed for, (i.e. condoned) was exactly as MommaAngel described. I sincerely you owe her an apology for calling her a liar.

Leviticus 25

Quote:

44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

All this is saying is that you can make slaves of those you conquer--this was culturally permitted throughout all peoples and cultures of that time--but you can't make slaves out of each other. All things considered, that doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable rule.

Questioner & flushd.....

I must have read foxfyre's answer differently than the two of you did. I distinctly read the words "this was culturally permitted throughout all peoples cultures of that time" The key words here are of that time. I don't think that anybody is advocating slavery now.

Murder is murder.

Oh, I agree with that! But my point is that if you're going to save a baby/prevent an abortion, why is it later ok to send that person off to be killed? Suddenly the state says murder is ok?

It's still murder, whether you kill someone before birth or on the battlefield.

I don't expect answers from any of you. Mostly because there aren't any.

mesquite wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

Good to see you! Ok, check out this link for the slavery issue.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

I think that sums it up pretty well.

Nah, it doesn't sum it up at all. It just glosses over the issue with biblical references to servants among the Hebrew people which is not at all the same thing as the keeping of non Hebrew slaves. The non Hebrew slave keeping described in Leviticus 25 was very similar to the kind of slavery practiced in the US during the 1700's and 1800's, but I think you already knew that.

Ahem. You do know that the Christians weren't even around when the Hebrews were slaves and that it was neither the Jews nor the Christians who had Hebrew slaves, but rather the Egyptians? And was that condoned by God? Not according to the Bible. Moses was the prophet appointed to lead the Hebrews out of that situation. You can read all about it in Exodus in the Old Testament.

mesquite wrote:

IMO this quote from your link is nothing short of a bold faced lie.

Quote:

So, yes, the Bible does condone slavery. However, the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

So putting it all into context, where is the lie? The link MommaAngel posted gave accurate information, and her statement that the slavery the Bible allowed for, (i.e. condoned) was exactly as MommaAngel described. I sincerely you owe her an apology for calling her a liar.

mesquite wrote:

Leviticus 25

Quote:

44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

All this is saying is that you can make slaves of those you conquer--this was culturally permitted throughout all peoples and cultures of that time--but you can't make slaves out of each other. All things considered, that doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable rule.