The Clear Vision of Ronald Reagan

ehBeth wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
And by the way, that doesn't just refer to bringing domestic lawsuits, it also refers to employing the military against enemies in wars in which people die.

I couldn't make any sense of how this related to Mr. Reagan's statement at all.
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OssoB actually said it best.

Sometimes Freedom has to be defended by force against foreign enemies. I don't want to argue it, but I think Reagan was including that idea, and even if he wasn't, I am.

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

If I could take the time to comment, I would agree with ebrown and also hope that Reagan is burning in hell. And nothing pleases me more than realizing that at some point in the future Dubya will join him and the two bastards can by probed by Satan's trident 'til time expires.

I thought the left was full of kind people. This goes to show that the left is worse then the right when it comes to people.

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I think Reagan was a jerk off and a **** head if for nothing else for allowing the AIDS virus to get out of hand and not giving a ****.

You can't defend him to me, but I'm sure you will anyhow.

How can you blame Reagan for the spread of AIDS? It wasn't Reagan who told people to have unprotected risky sex. Why should Reagan be blamed for the sexual habits of the homosexual community? He held guns to their heads and forced them to have sex and not use condoms?

Still to this day the homosexual population especially men have twice the infection from AIDS then their heterosexual counterparts. Please explain how Reagan is responsible for this?

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Baldimo wrote:

Still to this day the homosexual population especially men have twice the infection from AIDS then their heterosexual counterparts. Please explain how Reagan is responsible for this?

Sorry, Baldimo, but please don't explain it in this thread where it's off topic. The discussion topic of the thread is given in the first post. It's not a referendum on Reagan, in fact it has nothing to do with him, but rather with one statement he made.

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Brandon9000 wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Still to this day the homosexual population especially men have twice the infection from AIDS then their heterosexual counterparts. Please explain how Reagan is responsible for this?

Sorry, Baldimo, but please don't explain it in this thread where it's off topic. The discussion topic of the thread is given in the first post. It's not a referendum on Reagan, in fact it has nothing to do with him, but rather with one statement he made.

I do apologize for that. When someone starts making stupid comments like "I hope he's burning in Hell for what he did with AIDS" it gets my goat. I will try to keep on task. Embarrassed

Edited for spelling!

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Going back to the original quote: Talk is cheap, which is what Ronnie did best (After memorizing the speechwriter's words). As far as implementing the words, Irangate and a few other choice screwups disqualifies the old boy.

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Brandon

That was a good speech. I was moved. It might be almost the best speech I've ever read. I think it tops Gettysburg. But it surely does not reach the oratorical heights of the following George Bush speech given last March to the Texas ShrinkWrap Producers Association (motto: with God on our side) fund-drive event.

(applause)
My fellow Americans. It's hard. It's hard being the President. I'm a War President. No president wants to be a War President. It's hard being a War President. It's...you know...but 9-11 changed everything. We are at War. We are at War with Evildewers. They spread Terror. That's their job. Terror spreading. But I am not Terrored. Americans aren't Terrored. We won't Shrink back. (appreciative applause for the product reference) I am Resolute. Americans are Resolute. 9-11 made us Resolute. Sadaam made us Resolute. 9-11 changed Everything. 9-11 meant Sadaam would drop nucular bombs on Chicago. That's his job. Nucularying America. Our Friends are behind us in the Coalition. Tony Blair is behind us. President Howard of Australia is behind us. And God. God's on our side. And we are on his side. We're Resolute. We will Not be Terrored. The Evildewers bomb in the name of their god. They amputate People's Cranials in the name of their god. But they are Not men of God. I have looked into their Hearts. They have twisted their faith and their hearts are twisted. They are not real Hindoos...um...Muslimists. We love Muslimists in America. We love people of all faiths in America and that's what makes us Free. Faith-loving. There are Muslimists in my country club. I talk to them. Laura likes them too. She says they are polite people, Muslimists. But we will not be Polite to the Terrorists. Some people want us to be polite to the Terrorists. Some people in the Media. Some...professors. Well, I won't sit in an ivory tower and wait until the Evildowers arrive on our shores with Weapons of Mass Destruction Program Agenda Considerations. I won't sit and type criticisms of The Greatest Country In The History of Mankind while our freedoms titter on the edges. God Bless America."
(loud applause)

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blatham wrote:

Brandon

That was a good speech. I was moved. It might be almost the best speech I've ever read. I think it tops Gettysburg. But it surely does not reach the oratorical heights of the following George Bush speech given last March to the Texas ShrinkWrap Producers Association (motto: with God on our side) fund-drive event.

(applause)
My fellow Americans. It's hard. It's hard being the President. I'm a War President. No president wants to be a War President. It's hard being a War President. It's...you know...but 9-11 changed everything. We are at War. We are at War with Evildewers...

Link or reference please.

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Quote:

Link or reference please.

I am more pleased than you can imagine that you've asked me for the link.

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blatham wrote:

Quote:
Link or reference please.

I am more pleased than you can imagine that you've asked me for the link.

You folks always draw false conclusions with such an air of triumph. My request simply means that your quotation looks like a total crock. It looks like your best attack on the president is to put words in his mouth.

I note also that your refutation of Reagan's quotation didn't involve actually countering anything it contained. If you liberals are in the right, as you believe, then why do you have so much trouble attacking a conservative argument directly. Your little wisecracks in lieu of any on topic argument must certainly be regarded as a forfeit.

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The speech writers did enough of that. (put words in Reagan's mouth).

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edgarblythe wrote:

The speech writers did enough of that. (put words in Reagan's mouth).

This, of course, is in marked contrast to liberal presidents who write all of their own speeches. BTW, the reference is to Bush, not Reagan.

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Brandon9000 wrote:

Sometimes Freedom has to be defended by force against foreign enemies. I don't want to argue it, but I think Reagan was including that idea, and even if he wasn't, I am.

I agree. Sometimes freedom has to be defended by force against foreign enemies.

Should we hug now or something?

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Oct. 23rd 1983 Terrorists kill 237 U.S. Marines in Beirut Lebanon.

Reagan decribed the attack as despicable and Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said there would be no change in our policy towards Lebanon.

Feb 7th 1984 Reagan orders the U.S. out of the international peacekeeping force. Leaving Lebanon swinging in the wind.

The message ?

Attack America and they will back down.

We're still feeling the effects of that one Brandon.

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LionTamerX wrote:

Oct. 23rd 1983 Terrorists kill 237 U.S. Marines in Beirut Lebanon.

Reagan decribed the attack as despicable and Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said there would be no change in our policy towards Lebanon.

Feb 7th 1984 Reagan orders the U.S. out of the international peacekeeping force. Leaving Lebanon swinging in the wind.

The message ?

Attack America and they will back down.

We're still feeling the effects of that one Brandon.

Before that we were feeling the effects of the US pulling support for the Shah of Iran. This was the start of the modern day rage of terrorism that is infecting the world today.

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Brandon9000 wrote:

kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, horseshit.

I don't suppose you'd care to actually state why it's wrong, or what is wrong about it? One assumes that your argument is indefensible beyond the level of darting in for a little exclamation.

well for one thing, Reagan didn't write it. Someone else did......Reagan was the actor.......alzheimers was already upon him. It feels good to some to think of Reagan as the one, but really he was just working off the foundation of Death Valley Days and Twenty Mule Team Borax.....such as it was........that's one reason, there are others.

The line is a little like a horoscope.....it could apply to almost anything one might wish. Being There............(that's Jerzey Kosinski style)

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Brandon9000 wrote:

blatham wrote:
Quote:
Link or reference please.

I am more pleased than you can imagine that you've asked me for the link.

You folks always draw false conclusions with such an air of triumph. My request simply means that your quotation looks like a total crock. It looks like your best attack on the president is to put words in his mouth.

I note also that your refutation of Reagan's quotation didn't involve actually countering anything it contained. If you liberals are in the right, as you believe, then why do you have so much trouble attacking a conservative argument directly. Your little wisecracks in lieu of any on topic argument must certainly be regarded as a forfeit.

oh no! not a forfeit! Heaven forbid and pass the gravy.

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Good girl! You can write beeootiful sometimes.

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Lola wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Aaaah, horseshit.

I don't suppose you'd care to actually state why it's wrong, or what is wrong about it? One assumes that your argument is indefensible beyond the level of darting in for a little exclamation.

well for one thing, Reagan didn't write it. Someone else did......Reagan was the actor.......alzheimers was already upon him. It feels good to some to think of Reagan as the one, but really he was just working off the foundation of Death Valley Days and Twenty Mule Team Borax.....such as it was........that's one reason, there are others.

The line is a little like a horoscope.....it could apply to almost anything one might wish. Being There............(that's Jerzey Kosinski style)

One of the greatest presidents of all time and you people just love to try and knock him down.

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kickycan wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Sometimes Freedom has to be defended by force against foreign enemies. I don't want to argue it, but I think Reagan was including that idea, and even if he wasn't, I am.

I agree. Sometimes freedom has to be defended by force against foreign enemies.

Should we hug now or something?

I think a handshake would be sufficient.

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LionTamerX wrote:

Oct. 23rd 1983 Terrorists kill 237 U.S. Marines in Beirut Lebanon.

Reagan decribed the attack as despicable and Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said there would be no change in our policy towards Lebanon.

Feb 7th 1984 Reagan orders the U.S. out of the international peacekeeping force. Leaving Lebanon swinging in the wind.

The message ?

Attack America and they will back down.

We're still feeling the effects of that one Brandon.

And if the liberals have anything to say about it, we'll back down in Iraq too.

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