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Vaccination issue: Would I be wrong?

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 03:22 pm
@maxdancona,
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I could point out that the word "superior" in a scientific claim is ridiculous in itself. "Superior" is a emotional judgment, not a scientific fact.

Max, why are you calling the results of many scientific studies a "claim"? The studies prove the claim. Now you're left with accepting the fact that 45,000,000+ people don't require the experimental injections. What remains to be seen is whether or not you're going to do just that.
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Barry2021
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 03:27 pm
Ok, everyone, back on topic.

I'm walking into our living room going to the kitchen as as I hit our living room my step-son comes in the front door. Of course he does not have on his mask. I immediately stop him and remind him about his mask and how I'm not playing. He walks back outside. When I hit the kitchen my wife is giving me a stern look of disgust. Now she won't go anywhere without her mask but she seems to have no problem with her "unvaccinated" sons coming into our house. What sense does that make?
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 03:33 pm
@Barry2021,
There does seem to be a lack of conviction one way or the other on your wife's part. Seems like if she really believed in covid at all, she'd feel the same way as you and keep them out.
Barry2021
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 03:47 pm
@Glennn,
Maybe on the back end I'm trying to get them to get vaccinated, maybe. But again, they can visit but they have to wear a mask. I'll bet when they go to Walmart or any other store they have on a mask. Our house is not a mask free zone. She wears her mask everywhere but I guess she's not thinking that her sons could affect her or someone else we may come in contact with. And yes, you can still get covid with the vaccination but the chances are much less.
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 04:07 pm
@Barry2021,
I believe I've read something about that walensky woman saying that what the injections don't do anymore is prevent transmission.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 05:48 pm
Just put a sign on your door stating masks are required to enter.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 05:53 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Natural immunity is by far superior to what they would get from the experimental injection.

Gaining natural immunity might kill me though. The odds of the vaccines killing me are much lower.
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2021 08:07 pm
@oralloy,
What is the survivability rate?
Barry2021
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 07:24 am
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Just put a sign on your door stating masks are required to enter.


I promise you that will not go well with the wife. She honestly thinks I'm singling out her sons. On one level I am. I want them to get vaccinated so if I make things a little uncomfortable for them that may be enough for them to go ahead and get the shot. But then I'm also thinking about the safety of our household.
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Barry2021
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 07:26 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Glennn wrote:
Natural immunity is by far superior to what they would get from the experimental injection.

Gaining natural immunity might kill me though. The odds of the vaccines killing me are much lower.


Exactly, about the only way to get "natural immunity" is to get covid. Why risk death just to avoid getting a shot?
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 09:10 am
@Barry2021,
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Why risk death just to avoid getting a shot?

You sound like someone who hasn't heard what the survivability rate is. Have you looked into that?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 09:41 am
@Glennn,
I am a poker player. One of the first rules in gambling is that you don't make bets that you aren't willing to lose. If I can win a fortune, but the risk is my child's college fund... I don't make the bet.

In poker we talk about "pot odds". This is the comparison between the cost to make a bet with the size of the pot. If it costs me $100 to enter a $10,000 pot... then I only have to have a 1% chance of winning to make this a good bet.

The bet the Glennn is proposing... to get covid and survive is a bad bet. Sure Glennn is saying 98% chance of winning. Woo Hoo, I will most likely survive.

But the cost is death. Dead, finished, all done, no more, that's all she wrote.

A 2% chance of dying. That is not a bet I am willing to take.


Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 09:46 am
@maxdancona,
So, you're accepting an experimental injection to increase your odds of surviving by another 2%?
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A 2% chance of dying.

I'm sure you'd do much better than the people in the beginning who took tony's medical advice to isolate at home until it gets so bad you're having trouble breathing. But you'd know better than those people who took that advice.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 11:06 am
@Glennn,
Absolutely.

Going from a 2% chance of dying to an almost 0% chance of dying is a pretty big deal. Don't you think?

I also wear my seatbelt when I drive because of the same mathematics.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 12:13 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
What is the survivability rate?

The vaccines kill up to 0.0022% of the people who receive them:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

The odds of dying from Covid vary with age and medical condition:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator

Even for the age groups where the odds of death are 0.1% that is still a lot worse than 0.0022%. And older people face considerably worse odds.
ManOfTruth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 01:46 pm
Audio tapes reveal hospitals are depriving COVID patients of nutrition, intentionally isolating them

Ali Schultz saw medical tyranny first-hand as her parents in law faced strong opposition from their respective hospitals regarding how to treat their illness with COVID-19.

TUCSON, Arizona (LifeSiteNews) — Explosive interviews aired during the Truth for Health Foundation’s “Stop the Shot: Caught on Tape” conference Wednesday reveal that American hospitals are holding patients as prisoners while denying them life-saving treatment and nutrition.

Ali Schultz is a lawyer with the Foundation’s legal advisory council working with the medical team in the trenches where they deal with hospital abuses as they assist family members who are desperate to get their loved ones out of the hospital to save their lives.

Schultz saw the medical tyranny first-hand as her mother-in-law and father-in-law both faced strong opposition from their respective hospitals regarding how to treat their illness with COVID-19. Ultimately, Schultz’s mother-in-law lost that battle, dying on September 17. She had been neglected by staff when she wouldn’t accept remdesivir, a dangerous protocol which has been associated with high levels of liver and kidney failure.

Schultz did, however, manage to have her father-in-law Chuck “released” from hospital on September 16, she said, adding that his exit from hospital was more like an escape from prison. “He was not let go or discharged. He had to be released.”

Schultz explained that she was a medical power of attorney for both of her sick in-laws and that they had both notified the hospital in an advance directive that they did not want to receive remdesivir or be forced onto mechanical ventilation.

Although both parents-in-law were admitted to different hospitals, “they had the same exact protocol … and since they refused remdesivir I felt like we were just punished.”

“And the reason why they refuse remdesivir, and I agree with them, is because it’s known to cause kidney toxicity and failure, which ultimately leads to more pulmonary congestion,” Schultz said. “I’m obviously not a doctor, but we’ve done a lot of research on this because you have to when you’re advocating for your own health.”

After completing their research into the effects of remdesivir, the family was “adamant about refusing it, and after that, I felt like we were totally punished.”

While Chuck was being treated by the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Arizona, prior to his release, Schultz said that nurses were not implementing any kind of plan for him to become stable enough to transfer out of the critical care unit. “They just had no plan to treat him off of oxygen and no plan to get him home,” Schultz stated. Coercion for patients to use remdesivir is so strong that Schultz suggested Mayo has no protocol “for the noncompliant” to leave their critical care units in good health.

Even with medical power of attorney, Schultz shared that she was unable to verify basic vital treatments like hydration and nourishment. The lawyer penned letters and emails advocating for both of her parents-in-law and was subsequently met with strong pushback, being denied access to their health records and even to the patients themselves, at one point being handcuffed and carried away. “I was deprived access to them, and I was lied to,” she said.

Schultz later found out that the hospital had denied Chuck food and water for six consecutive days, save for one bag of sugar water.

The lawyer explained that hospitals have a “perverse financial incentive” to keep using the remdesivir protocol initially implemented by Dr. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president.

“From a legal perspective,” Schultz added, “they have zero liability whatsoever for any COVID patients so as long as they’re doing that [Fauci’s protocol]. They think that they are totally immune except for wilful misconduct which, of course, they would be liable for.”

An audio recording taken by Schultz in conversation with a Mayo Clinic administrator revealed that the hospital knew that they were depriving Chuck of nutrition and claimed that “when someone is admitted having that many problems with breathing,” that this “is exactly what they do.”

“And actually, you would find that to be the case in all hospitals in the valley. That is the standard of care,” the administrator added.

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Schultz can be heard telling the clinician that “the nurses all knew about [Chuck’s condition]. I was begging them every single day [to help]. Where is their compassion? Why are they not advocating for their patients? They have a responsibility.”

Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D., CEO of the Truth for Health Foundation and conference host, told Schultz that to learn that medics have been allowing patients to go without nutrition for such an extended period is “staggering.” “I can’t wrap my mind around that,” she said.

The Mayo Clinic proceeded to place Chuck on an investigational drug, baricitinib, which is not yet approved for treating COVID-19 by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), without his knowledge or consent. He was then held in isolation “for 24 days past the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] recommendation and Arizona State guidelines for that from the Department of Health,” Schultz said.

As far as she is concerned, “seclusion is the number one issue and the thing that anyone who currently has a loved one in the hospital can act on right away.”

“They are not to be secluded just because they’re using the word isolation,” Schultz counseled, explaining that the phraseology does not change the character of what is being done.

“With my mom-in-law, Christy, they were trying to get us to remove her ventilator without allowing us the ability to get in to see her and assess her. We can’t do that. We want to be with her.” “How could someone make that decision without assessing their loved one? This is a huge legal issue,” Schultz said, describing the practice as “unlawful imprisonment” and “torture.”

She explained that, normally, “in order to seclude and restrain patients, there are actually very, very strict guidelines for health care workers and it cannot be a blanket order. There needs to be a new order every twenty-four hours, and if it goes past a few days, they need a judge to sign a court order. They cannot just blanket seclude someone for this long. And they also cannot conspire to make sure every hospital around them is doing the same thing.”

Playing a further audio clip, Schultz was able to show clinic administrators telling her that she could not see her father-in-law: “As far as visitation in our hospital, we are not going to allow [anyone] to visit the hospital as long as he is here.”

A little later, a woman can be heard saying that “all of the hospitals meet with all of the other chief medical officers of the hospitals three times a week, and there is no visitation for patients who test positive.” Schultz clarified that this means the administrations of multiple hospitals are colluding to make isolation a “standard of care.”

Vliet added that “prisoners in America’s jails have more rights right now than COVID patients in America’s hospitals. It’s unheard of.”

In response to the medical tyranny experienced by her parents-in-law, Schultz has developed a private criminal complaint which, she said, any private citizen can file through the attorney general’s website.

Schultz noted that in both Texas and Colorado her complaint has been easily adapted. “If we have enough people to put pressure on reminding people of their duties, then we might make some change here,” she concluded.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/audio-tapes-reveal-hospitals-are-depriving-covid-patients-of-nutrition-intentionally-isolating-them/?utm_source=featured&utm_campaign=usa
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 07:48 pm
@oralloy,
How much extra protection do you imagine you'll get from the experimental injection?

Have you had a look at the VAERS data?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 09:42 pm
@Glennn,
I expect that my odds of catching Covid will be about 80% less, and my odds of dying will be about 90% less.

I think the figure that I quoted previously was based on VAERS data, but otherwise I have not looked at any of the data.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 09:52 pm
@oralloy,
I had actually hoped that my odds of dying would be 99% less or even better. The vaccines are not as effective as I thought.

Reducing my odds of dying by 90% still makes the vaccine worth taking of course. But maybe I should reconsider going out to so many movies.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2021 10:05 pm
@oralloy,
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I expect that my odds of catching Covid will be about 80% less

You understand that the experimental injection does not prevent transmission. So, what study have you seen that proves an eighty percent reduction in the possibility of becoming infected?

Of course, since the flu had all but disappeared, anyone who had a viral infection probably had covid, and now have natural immunity. Perhaps you've experienced such an infection and thereby acquired natural immunity without even knowing it.
 

 
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