Quote:Wait, you only think immigrants should come from the North?
I thought we were talking about refugees. In any case, no "shoulds" apply...the northern border is just a safer route. (Those wannabe cowboy ICE-holes on the southern border are primed to commit those sorts of repressive atrocities in a spirit of righteous enthusiasm.) edgarblythe was referring to skin shades. IT workers from India and Pakistan are dark-skinned people, that's all.
...people breaking the law (in this case illegal entry) should expect that the authorities may try to apprehend them, and that if they try to avoid apprehension, the authorities will likely pursue.
The rational solution would be not to commit the crime.
What about the Border Patrol agents who are breaking the law? Border Patrol agents are law-enforcement agents. They are under oath to follow the laws. Immigrants are not under this oath.
Border Patrol agents who break the law and mistreat immigrants are assholes.
Quote:...people breaking the law (in this case illegal entry) should expect that the authorities may try to apprehend them, and that if they try to avoid apprehension, the authorities will likely pursue.
Quote:The rational solution would be not to commit the crime.
Also true. I think the problem is that the people entering the country illegally aren't making completely rational decisions. It's rational to try to escape from a **** hole but it's not rational to assume that border regulations will be suspended and undocumented people will be allowed entry. Desperation is a factor here.
Agreed, but it is not our duty to allow every poor person in the world into our country, nor would it be in our interest to do so.
Do you agree that it is against the law for a Bordee Patrol agent to rape an "illegal" immigran?
I am not sure if you are making the argument that Border Patrol agents can do whatever they want to "illegals". If a border patrol agemt breaks the law while he is apprehending a criminal alien, then the border patrol agent is illegal.
You are using the word "invader" as a way to justify your extreme views. The teenaged kids and single moms are coming arent here to invade anything. They just want to mow your lawn.
The Border Patrol is not a military organization. They are law enforcement. You may be able to justify a soldier in a wartime conflict who accidentally shoots kids during battle. Solidiers operate in war afainst a military enemy with tanks and snipers and rockets.
When that Border Patrol commits violence, they should be prosecuted.
I am simply trying to get you to accept that Border Patrol agents shouldn't break the law while doing their job. If you would just agree with this point, I will feel we have gotten somewhere.
It is irrelevant to the issue at hand; the question of whether Border Patrol agents SHOULD follow the law is different from the question of whether they do. But I will play the game if you really insist.
How many examples do you want of Border Patrol agents breaking the law? I will do the googling for you. Will 5 examples be fine?
Your Physics Teacher example illustrates my point.
A Physics Teacher should never break the law while doing their job, and Physics teachers who do should be arrested and removed.
When I was a Physics teacher, a few times I wanted to slap a student. There was time where a student hit me. I stayed in control and acted professionally (which meant not responding to the violence). There were times when slapping a student probably would have had educational value. Still I understood that I couldn't slap my students and I did my job according to the rules.
Border Patrol agents should be held to the same standard.