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PCR-Test Cycle Threshold Issue

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:38 pm
@roger,
Only if you ask nicely.

(And you offer to do the same for me if I go down first.)
roger
 
  1  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:40 pm
@Leadfoot,
Think of the Social Security savings.
Leadfoot
 
  -2  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:42 pm
@roger,
It’s a down right charitable thing to do for your grandkids.
Leadfoot
 
  -2  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:43 pm
@Leadfoot,
And, the kids get that inheritance a bit earlier, when they can still enjoy it!
roger
 
  1  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:47 pm
@Leadfoot,
Yeah, and none of those 'end of life' expenses like nursing homes and caregiver fees.

You don't know where I live, do you? Just asking.
Leadfoot
 
  -2  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:50 pm
@Leadfoot,
But being the selfish sociopath that I am, the main benefit would be the freedom from this habit of A2K posting.
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Leadfoot
 
  -2  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 02:51 pm
@roger,
Quote:
You don't know where I live, do you? Just asking.

Nah, don’t worry. Remember it’s always voluntary.
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Glennn
 
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Thu 29 Apr, 2021 08:59 pm
@InfraBlue,
Anyone can see that infrablue is in full blown denial when it comes to these cases of experimental treatments being given to people ready to die that I've stuck right in front of his face. That's what denial does to a person. And like him, you're trying your hand at pretending to not know how to google any of those cases that I stuck squarely in your face.

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=914961

Let me know if you question the authenticity of the above. I don't think you'll go so far as to deny that.

Ya know, I don't think you were around when I started this thread. Perhaps you would care to take a stab at why tony would state that a PCR-test with a cycle threshold of anything over 35 will be meaningless, but kept quiet as a mouse as the WHO recommended doing exactly that.
Glennn
 
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Thu 29 Apr, 2021 09:46 pm
@hightor,
The above post was mistakenly addressed to infrablue. It was addressed to you.
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InfraBlue
 
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Thu 29 Apr, 2021 10:08 pm
@Glennn,
Why so coy about providing cites for your assertions? It's like pulling teeth with you.
Glennn
 
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Thu 29 Apr, 2021 10:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
Umm, does this qualify as a source, or are you going to deny its quality?

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=914961

Ya know I don't think you were around either when I started this thread. Perhaps you would care to take a stab at why tony would state that a PCR-test with a cycle threshold of anything over 35 will be meaningless, but kept quiet as a mouse as the WHO recommended doing exactly that.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 10:30 pm
@Glennn,
Never heard of this organization, I'll admit I'm very suspicious of it's validity.

You could log into [email protected] and check out the credentials or lack of credentials so many of these nonsense organizations claim to possess. It's much more reliable than https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=91496.. And you can take that to the bank because I said so. How do you like them apples?
Glennn
 
  -1  
Thu 29 Apr, 2021 10:34 pm
@glitterbag,
And now you're on record stating that you've never heard of VAERS.

Okay . . .

Maybe this will ring a bell:

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is a United States program for vaccine safety, co-managed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration. VAERS is a postmarketing surveillance program, collecting information about adverse events that occur after administration of vaccines to ascertain whether the risk–benefit ratio is high enough to justify continued use of any particular vaccine.
_______________________________________________________________________________

Now don't you feel a tad uninformed? Smile

How about you? Would you like to take a serious crack at why tony would state that a PCR-test with a cycle threshold of anything over 35 will be meaningless, but kept quiet as a mouse as the WHO recommended doing exactly that, with a cycle threshold of 40?
InfraBlue
 
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Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:31 am
@Glennn,
Was that so difficult?
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InfraBlue
 
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Fri 30 Apr, 2021 07:43 am
@Glennn,
Your site isn't the CDC's offical VAERS site.

The CDC says, "VAERS is not designed to detect if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it can identify unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems requiring a closer look."

You're confusing correlation with causation.
Glennn
 
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Fri 30 Apr, 2021 08:20 am
@InfraBlue,
I know you think you've answered the question of why in the world an experimental treatment would be given to people who are going to die at any time. But you haven't. And that's because there is absolutely no reason to give the experimental treatment to people who are dying anyway.

So, your next job is to explain the wisdom of doing such a nonsensical thing.

You're also not addressing the fact that the PCR-test cycle threshold was knowingly set too high. So, what's your reason for avoiding that issue?

Tell me where I got it wrong:

The PCR test that was used to detect coronavirus was set at a 40-cycle threshold of amplification/replication as per the FDA's recommendation. However, even infectious disease "expert" Tony himself is on record stating that an amplification/replication cycle above 35 is going to spit out almost all false-positives; others say anything above 30 cycles is meaningless. There was even a New York Times article stating that the PCR test has spit out 90% false-positives. It takes almost zero critical thinking skills to draw the obvious conclusion. Ninety percent false positives means no pandemic.

So, why did the FDA recommend a cycle-threshold of 40? That's a rhetorical question; they obviously wanted to create the illusion of a pandemic. Also, why didn't Tony bother to speak up concerning what can only be described as a deliberate and gross misapplication of a test? We'll never know because, thanks to a complicit media, Mr. Fauci is not required to publicly answer even one challenge to his dire predictions which are based on 90% false positive returns from a PCR test that was knowingly set too high.

Unfortunately, unless some talking head comes on tv and tells people it's okay to apply their own critical thinking skills to those factual numbers, they won't do it. They think they need permission to make the obvious inference and then respond to the falsehood they've been fed. And the real kicker is that the only ones they'll accept permission from are the same ones who neglected to inform them of the reason for all the false positives in the first place.

So, given what we now know about the PCR-test, and how it was set too high despite all of the "experts" involved, how should we respond to a 90% false positive rate?

Here is something to back my claim:

Covid-19 Quotations: Questioning PCR Reliability

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios.” — Andrew N. Cohen, Ph.D.1*, Bruce Kessel, M.D.2, Michael G. Milgroom, Ph.D.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3.full.pdf

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“…all or a substantial part of these positives could be due to what’s called false positives tests.” — Michael Yeadon: former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7wze46md0&t=90s

“…false positive results will occur regularly, despite high specificity, causing unnecessary community isolation and contact tracing, and nosocomial infection if inpatients with false positive tests are cohorted with infectious patients.” — The European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30614-5/fulltext

“…you can find almost anything in anybody…it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you…” — Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Peace Prize Winner inventor of the PCR test)

https://maskoffmn.org/#kary

“I’m skeptical that a PCR test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine.” — Dr. David Rasnick, biochemist and protease developer

“…up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” — The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/16/2252/5841456

“PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid” — Barry Atkinson: National Collection of Pathogenic Viruses (NCPV) Eskild Petersen: infectious disease specialist

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30868-0/fulltext

“Detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to another person” — The World Health Organization

“Caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect infectious virus. PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.” — The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste
“The challenge is the false positive rate is very high, so only seven percent of tests will be successful in identifying those that actually have the the virus. So the truth is, we can’t just rely on that…” — Dominic Raab – First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-covid-19-testing-tragic-waste/5729700

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite.” — FDA

https://www.fda.gov/media/136151/download

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/16/2252/5841456

“…no single gold standard assay exists. The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.” — Dr. Elena Surkova; Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy – Public Health Englamd; Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College.
_________________________________________________________________________________

Do you have anything to cast doubt on these peoples' assessment?
Linkat
 
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Fri 30 Apr, 2021 08:38 am
I know there was a voluntary thing you could opt into after getting the vaccine to "survey" back any symptoms and so forth - not sure how official it was or not but it was voluntary - wish I remembered what it was and how available it was to look up by the general public.
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InfraBlue
 
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Fri 30 Apr, 2021 10:34 am
@Glennn,
Glenn wrote:
I know you think. . .

There's a vast gulf between what you know and what you think you know.

Glenn wrote:
So, your next job is. . .

What, you're my employer or something?
Glennn
 
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Sat 1 May, 2021 04:12 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
What, you're my employer or something?

No. You're not my employee. You're just another soul who can't explain why an experimental treatment would be given to people who are going to die at any time. It's okay to question the sanity of things.

I hope your failure to come up with a legitimate reason for giving an experimental treatment to people who are going to die at any time causes you to question the sanity of the authority behind that stupid move.

Also, taking an experimental treatment that will not prevent infection or transmission will not offer herd immunity. If you believe it does, explain the mechanism underlying that effect.

Ya know, I don't think you were around when I started this thread. Perhaps you would care to take a stab at why tony would state that a PCR-test with a cycle threshold of anything over 35 will be meaningless, but kept quiet as a mouse as the WHO recommended doing exactly that. I mean, were these trusted knowledge dispensers so completely in the dark when it came to getting something so elementary correct?

You also forgot to say whether or not you have anything to cast doubt on the people who provided their assessment that the PCR-test cycle threshold was set so high as to guarantee meaningless results. I think it's just a couple of posts up . . .
InfraBlue
 
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Sat 1 May, 2021 05:40 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
What, you're my employer or something?

No. You're not my employee. You're just another soul who can't explain why an experimental treatment would be given to people who are going to die at any time. It's okay to question the sanity of things.

I hope your failure to come up with a legitimate reason for giving an experimental treatment to people who are going to die at any time causes you to question the sanity of the authority behind that stupid move.


Linkat already responded to your question.

You don't agree with the reasoning. Acknowledged.

Your disagreement is neither here nor there, however.

Glenn wrote:
Also, taking an experimental treatment that will not prevent infection or transmission will not offer herd immunity. If you believe it does, explain the mechanism underlying that effect.


I’ve already responded here and here.


Glenn wrote:
Ya know, I don't think you were around when I started this thread. Perhaps you would care to take a stab at why tony would state that a PCR-test with a cycle threshold of anything over 35 will be meaningless, but kept quiet as a mouse as the WHO recommended doing exactly that. I mean, were these trusted knowledge dispensers so completely in the dark when it came to getting something so elementary correct?

You also forgot to say whether or not you have anything to cast doubt on the people who provided their assessment that the PCR-test cycle threshold was set so high as to guarantee meaningless results. I think it's just a couple of posts up . . .

No thanks. I’m sure you’re convinced by your own conspiracy theory anyway.
 

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