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A Brief History of Metaphysics! (By Homo Sapiens)

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 16 Jun, 2023 06:19 pm
@Albuquerque,
Ciao, bella.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 16 Jun, 2023 11:42 pm
@Albuquerque,
It's like talking to Oscar Wilde.
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 12:54 am
@izzythepush,
I feel like they are Kafka characters...
izzythepush
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 02:46 am
@Albuquerque,
Well that proves it.
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 03:24 am
@izzythepush,
As self awareness or lack thereof is concerned, in some way or another, I feel like we are all "bots", granted, some immediately more obvious then others...that of course is the majestic play part of this necessary "Human tragedy", a novel of our own unravelling that always brings to my mind "Les Miserables" from Victor Hugo!

"Sinners" without free will we sin against our own ghosts!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 05:47 am
@izzythepush,
Oscar Wilde's brother kept locked in the attic.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 05:49 am
@Albuquerque,
Don't read much Kafka, do you?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Jun, 2023 05:51 am
@Albuquerque,
I wouldn't take that balloon around any sharp objects.
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Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 12:10 am
@Albuquerque,
We don’t sin against are own ghosts Albuquerque.

The notion that PRESENCE is an illusion has been derived from inward only meditation.I practiced it for years.I know all about it and it is not the way.I thought it was.

This is an unaware and unbalanced meditation, practiced by individuals who don’t understand consciousness at all.Hence,we get to where modern day science is presently at.Consciousness being it’s “hard problem” and yet it still insists on applying its failed theoretical ideas to try and understand it.

Inward only (out of the moment) mediation is mere knowledge gathering derived from equal but opposite opposing thoughts.We are not thoughts Albuquerque.We are not awareness or consciousness either.We forget that there is and outward (in the moment) meditation as well but we ignore it.

Presence is aware of the vibratory balanced electromagnetic force interactions which alter the consciousness state experienced.

Science; philosophy and psychology has nowhere left to go now other than to start reconsidering electromagnetic force interactions which it presently claims cancel out.

The ghost theory has originated from the notion that the electromagnetic forces in nature do cancel.An alternative theory states they don’t and the scientific formula for nature is +/-=+/- .The electromagnetic forces of nature are vibratory balanced.

PRESENCE is embroiled within this formula but separate from it

PRESENCE is influenced by vibrating electromagnetic forces within the brain but can introduce CONTROL to not only alter the consciousness state experienced but can also become still within it.





izzythepush
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 12:48 am
Talking of Kafka, that last post put in mind of a play by Alan Bennet I saw in Ipswich a few years back.
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Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 04:23 am
@Jasper10,
I would say that one of the biggest challenges to overcome in psychology is getting over the belief that you have arrived if you associate yourself solely with the "in the moment" state of consciousness having come out of the "out of the moment" state of consciousness.

I associate these 2 different consciousness states as a good state to be in and a bad state to be in or + and - consciousness.

Whether they are + or - or not is open to further debate but the fact is that "EXPERIENTIALLY" these two states of consciousness are different. THAT IS THE IMPORTANT BIT TO TAKE IN.

I would say that you have definitely NOT arrived if you associate yourself with either of these two consciousness states.

PRESENCE needs to be in the STILL consciousness state.

The "in the moment" and "out of the moment" states of consciousness are "red herrings" therefore.

All sciences are interconnected.
Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 07:25 am
@Jasper10,
I am still receiving -ve feedback.

Come on guys. How can you understand consciousness if you don't relate it to your own personal experiences?

You can't spectate consciousness. You experience consciousness due to the effects of balanced vibrating electromagnetic forces with the brain.

All sciences are interconnected
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 08:58 am
Is Physical Law an Alien Intelligence?

Alien life could be so advanced it becomes indistinguishable from physics.
Nautilus

Caleb Scharf
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/is-physical-law-an-alien-intelligence?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The Fourth Copernican Revolution
Is the Universe Open-Ended?
Life Beyond Human Has to Play by the Rules


Perhaps Arthur C. Clarke was being uncharacteristically unambitious. He once pointed out that any sufficiently advanced technology is going to be indistinguishable from magic. If you dropped in on a bunch of Paleolithic farmers with your iPhone and a pair of sneakers, you’d undoubtedly seem pretty magical. But the contrast is only middling: The farmers would still recognize you as basically like them, and before long they’d be taking selfies. But what if life has moved so far on that it doesn’t just appear magical, but appears like physics?

After all, if the cosmos holds other life, and if some of that life has evolved beyond our own waypoints of complexity and technology, we should be considering some very extreme possibilities. Today’s futurists and believers in a machine “singularity” predict that life and its technological baggage might end up so beyond our ken that we wouldn’t even realize we were staring at it. That’s quite a claim, yet it would neatly explain why we have yet to see advanced intelligence in the cosmos around us, despite the sheer number of planets it could have arisen on—the so-called Fermi Paradox.

For example, if machines continue to grow exponentially in speed and sophistication, they will one day be able to decode the staggering complexity of the living world, from its atoms and molecules all the way up to entire planetary biomes. Presumably life doesn’t have to be made of atoms and molecules, but could be assembled from any set of building blocks with the requisite complexity. If so, a civilization could then transcribe itself and its entire physical realm into new forms. Indeed, perhaps our universe is one of the new forms into which some other civilization transcribed its world.

These possibilities might seem wholly untestable, because part of the conceit is that sufficiently advanced life will not just be unrecognizable as such, but will blend completely into the fabric of what we’ve thought of as nature. But viewed through the warped bottom of a beer glass, we can pick out a few cosmic phenomena that—at crazy as it sounds—might fit the requirements.

For example, only about 5 percent of the mass-energy of the universe consists of ordinary matter: the protons, neutrons, and electrons that we’re composed of. A much larger 27 percent is thought to be unseen, still mysterious stuff. Astronomical evidence for this dark, gravitating matter is convincing, albeit still not without question. Vast halos of dark matter seem to lurk around galaxies, providing mass that helps hold things together via gravity. On even larger scales, the web-like topography traced by luminous gas and stars also hints at unseen mass.

Cosmologists usually assume that dark matter has no microstructure. They think it consists of subatomic particles that interact only via gravity and the weak nuclear force and therefore slump into tenuous, featureless swathes. They have arguments to support this point of view, but of course we don’t really know for sure. Some astronomers, noting subtle mismatches between observations and models, have suggested that dark matter has a richer inner life. At least some component may comprise particles that interact with one another via long-range forces. It may seem dark to us, but have its own version of light that our eyes cannot see.

In that case, dark matter could contain real complexity, and perhaps it is where all technologically advanced life ends up or where most life has always been. What better way to escape the nasty vagaries of supernova and gamma-ray bursts than to adopt a form that is immune to electromagnetic radiation? Upload your world to the huge amount of real estate on the dark side and be done with it.

If you’re a civilization that has learned how to encode living systems in different substrates, all you need to do is build a normal-matter-to-dark-matter data-transfer system: a dark-matter 3D printer. Perhaps the mismatch of astronomical models and observations is evidence not just of self-interacting dark matter, but of dark matter that is being artificially manipulated.

Or to take this a step further, perhaps the behavior of normal cosmic matter that we attribute to dark matter is brought on by something else altogether: a living state that manipulates luminous matter for its own purposes. Consider that at present we have neither identified the dark-matter particles nor come up with a compelling alternative to our laws of physics that would account for the behavior of galaxies and clusters of galaxies. Would an explanation in terms of life be any less plausible than a failure of established laws?

Part of the fabric of the universe is a product of intelligence.

The universe does other funky and unexpected stuff. Notably, it began to expand at an accelerated rate about 5 billion years ago. This acceleration is conventionally chalked up to dark energy. But cosmologists don’t know why the cosmic acceleration began when it did. In fact, one explanation with a modicum of traction is that the timing has to do with life—an anthropic argument. The dark energy didn’t become significant until enough time had gone by for life to take hold on Earth. For many cosmologists, that means our universe must be part of a vast multiverse where the strength of dark energy varies from place to place. We live in one of the places suitable for life like us. Elsewhere, dark energy is stronger and blows the universe apart too quickly for cosmic structures to form and life to take root.

But perhaps there is another reason for the timing coincidence: that dark energy is related to the activities of living things. After all, any very early life in the universe would have already experienced 8 billion years of evolutionary time by the time expansion began to accelerate. It’s a stretch, but maybe there’s something about life itself that affects the cosmos, or maybe those well-evolved denizens decided to tinker with the expansion.

There are even possible motivations for that action. Life absorbs low-entropy energy (such as visible light from the sun), does useful work with that energy, and dumps higher-entropy energy back into the universe as waste heat. But if the surrounding universe ever got too warm—too filled with thermal refuse—things would stagnate. Luckily we live in an expanding and constantly cooling cosmos. What better long-term investment by some hypothetical life 5 billion years ago than to get the universe to cool even faster? To be sure, it may come to rue its decision: Hundreds of billions of years later the accelerating expansion would dilute matter so quickly that civilizations would run out of fresh sources of energy. Also, an accelerating universe does not cool forever, but eventually approaches a floor in temperature.

One idea for the mechanism of an accelerating cosmic expansion is called quintessence, a relative of the Higgs field that permeates the cosmos. Perhaps some clever life 5 billion years ago figured out how to activate that field. How? Beats me, but it’s a thought-provoking idea, and it echoes some of the thinking of cosmologist Freeman Dyson’s famous 1979 paper “Time Without End,” where he looked at life’s ability in the far, far future to act on an astrophysical scale.

Once we start proposing that life could be part of the solution to cosmic mysteries, there’s no end to the fun possibilities. Although dark-matter life is a pretty exotic idea, it’s still conceivable that we might recognize what it is, even capturing it in our labs one day (or being captured by it). We can take a tumble down a different rabbit hole by considering that we don’t recognize advanced life because it forms an integral and unsuspicious part of what we’ve considered to be the natural world.

Life’s desire to avoid trouble points to some options. If it has a choice, life always looks for ways to lower its existential risk. You don’t build your nest on the weakest branch or produce trillions of single-celled clones unless you build in some variation and backup.

Maybe there’s something about life itself that affects the cosmos.

A species can mitigate risk by spreading, decentralizing, and seeding as much real estate as possible. In this context, hyper-advanced life is going to look for ways to get rid of physical locality and to maximize redundancy and flexibility. The quantum realm offers good options. The cosmos is already packed with electromagnetic energy. Today, at any instant, about 400 photons of cosmic microwave radiation are streaming through any cubic centimeter of free space. They collectively have less energy than ordinary particles such as protons and electrons, but vastly outnumber them. That’s a lot of potential data carriers. Furthermore, we could imagine that these photons are cleverly quantum-mechanically entangled to help with error control.

By storing its essential data in photons, life could give itself a distributed backup system. And it could go further, manipulating new photons emitted by stars to dictate how they interact with matter. Fronts of electromagnetic radiation could be reaching across the cosmos to set in motion chains of interstellar or planetary chemistry with exquisite timing, exploiting wave interference and excitation energies in atoms and molecules. The science-fiction writer Stanisław Lem put forward a similar idea, involving neutrinos rather than photons, in the novel His Master’s Voice.

That’s one way that life could disappear into ordinary physics. But even these ideas skirt the most disquieting extrapolations.

Toward the end of Carl Sagan’s 1985 science-fiction novel Contact, the protagonist follows the suggestion of an extraterrestrial to study transcendental numbers. After computing to 1020 places, she finds a clearly artificial message embedded in the digits of this fundamental number. In other words, part of the fabric of the universe is a product of intelligence or is perhaps even life itself.

It’s a great mind-bending twist for a book. Perhaps hyper-advanced life isn’t just external. Perhaps it’s already all around. It is embedded in what we perceive to be physics itself, from the root behavior of particles and fields to the phenomena of complexity and emergence.

In other words, life might not just be in the equations. It might be the equations.

Caleb Scharf is an astrophysicist, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University in New York, and a founder of yhousenyc.org, an institute that studies human and machine consciousness. His latest book is The Copernicus Complex: Our Cosmic Significance in a Universe of Planets and Probabilities.
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Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 11:17 am
@Jasper10,
You are totally embroiled within consciousness. You can't run away from it ,see it or hear it. All you can do is experience it.

You need a balanced science that keeps PRESENCE at the center.

You cannot cancel PRESENCE out.

PRESENCE vibratory balances the 2 electromagnetic forces of nature by the formula +/-=+/-

You cannot explain the workings of the brain/mind with the gravity theory.

How do you create the full binary software logic required for brain processing with the half logic gravity theory for goodness sake?

I do real science,not made up science.



Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 06:08 pm
@Jasper10,
Presence sits above awareness and is able to come up with better science than individuals who are stuck in unawareness not understanding consciousness.

The electromagnetic forces of nature are balanced by the formula +/-=+/-.

Presence knows because presence balanced them.
fobvius
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 08:06 pm


Had we but World enough, and Time,
This coyness, Lady, were no crime.
We would sit down, and think which way
To walk, and pass our long Loves Day.
Thou by the Indian Ganges side
Should'st Rubies find: I by the Tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood:
And you should if you please refuse
Till the Conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable Love should grow
Vaster than Empires, and more slow.
A hundred years should go to praise
Thine Eyes, and on thy Forehead Gaze.
Two hundred to adore each breast:
But thirty thousand to the rest.
An Age at least to every part,
And the last Age should show your Heart.
For Lady you deserve this State;
Nor would I love at lower rate.
But at my back I always hear
Time's wingèd chariot hurrying near:
And yonder all before us lye
Desarts of vast Eternity.
Thy Beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble Vault, shall sound
My ecchoing Song: then Worms shall try
That long preserv'd Virginity:
And your quaint Honour turn to dust;
And into ashes all my Lust.
The Grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.
Now therefore, while the youthful hew
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing Soul transpires
At every pore with instant Fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am'rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our Time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapt pow'r.
Let us roll all our Strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one Ball:
And tear our Pleasures with rough strife,
Thorough the Iron gates of Life.
Thus, though we cannot make our Sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.
glitterbag
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 09:41 pm
@izzythepush,
I enjoyed it, sort of passing out on the fainting couch-ish
glitterbag
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 09:49 pm
@Albuquerque,
We are all hopeless romantics trying to understand the romance in other Country's (including proper terms) romance speek. Has anybody been successful in meeting new beau's or assisting people with language problems?
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Jasper10
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 10:36 pm
@Jasper10,
Everything vibrates in the universe due to balanced + and - electromagnetic forces that modern day science claims have cancelled out.They haven’t.

PRESENCE experiences the effects of these electromagnetic force interactions in the form of consciousness experience.Two in fact.The in and out of the moment consciousness states or the + and - consciousness states.These consciousness states are vibratory balanced at the psychological level by the awareness formula +/-=+/-

Even neutrals vibrate.



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izzythepush
 
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Mon 19 Jun, 2023 11:17 pm
@glitterbag,
It reminds me of A levels.

Dom Joly did a brilliant skit where he would talk to members of the public, (usually old people,) about a poem written by Marvell in a park that still exists today.

He would talk eloquently about the poem, all the while dressed as a psychotic punk with "**** Off" on the back of his jacket.
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