Dominion Starts Rolling Out the Lawsuits

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Turns out slandering a private company for political gain can have consequences. Looks like the first wave of several lawsuits.

Dominion sues Giuliani for $1.3 billion over 'Big Lie' about election fraud

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[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021That is incorrect. When it comes to slander and libel against public figures, motivation matters.
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021[quote="farmerman"]How can these be frivolous suites??[/quote] I doubt that Dominion can prove that any falsehoods were said with malice.
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021Have the Democrats succeeded in abolishing people's right to defend themselves at trial?
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021[quote="farmerman"]this wasnt against a public figure. The case is being brought by a company, who is the aggrieved party.[/quote] The company was clearly in the public eye....
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021It does need materiality however. And actually malice aforethought is in fact required, as without malice aforethought an untrue statement is not a lie.
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021See my reply to your first comment above.
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021[quote="farmerman"]stop being an idiot[/quote] You cannot provide any examples of idiocy in my posts. [quote="farmerman"]So is a Supermarket.[/quote] Not necessarily. A...
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021[quote="vikorr"]I would think they would only have to prove that their company was slandered without a factual basis, and suffered reputational damage because of it.[/quote] When it...
[+7] - oralloy - 01/26/2021[quote="vikorr"]See engineers comments above.[/quote] We'll see how it plays out in court. [quote="vikorr"]That said, dominion is not a public figure.[/quote] I disagree....
[+6] - oralloy - 01/26/2021Make them pay court costs for these frivolous lawsuits.

@engineer,

This is going to be fun. The Pillow Guy should also be worried.

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@glitterbag,

great. I wa bbeginniing to wonder here these BS claims by Rudy and his posse were gonna end up.
So its civil court.
Voire dire on any jury selection is gonna have to be carefully done so that the jury isnt stacked .At least in civil cases they can have a decision based on the "preponderence of evidence" so 5 to 4 is a win (until it goes into an appeal. It will probably wind up being a money blow out an well see who can go through trial and appeal without going bankrupt.

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@farmerman,

I really don't understand what a lot of Regressives mean when they use terms such as 'politically correct' or 'cancel culture'. But isn't the act of intentional lying for the purpose of destroying the reputation of a company or ruining the livelihood of blameless people the ultimate 'cancel culture'? I know it's despicable, it's dishonorable, it's criminal, and in all measures it's sinful. It's basically 'bearing false witness', it's coveting your neighbors property, generally an all-around jerk move.

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@glitterbag,

Yes, it's funny that when conservative society cancels people for loving the wrong people, having the wrong religion, being from the wrong country or just dressing the wrong way, no problem but when they are taken to task for their hatred and bigotry, well, that's just wrong.

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@engineer,

What worries me is, Giuliani might find a way to float an insanity defense. Clearly, his babbling cannot be connected to a sound mind.

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Make them pay court costs for these frivolous lawsuits.

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@oralloy,

Im waiting to see whether Dominion,if wronged, can collect treble damages from the entire cabal. Giuliani and Sydney certainly tried like hell to create a case of intrigue tabulated by Dominion and all against the Trump organization. So far , its all been found baseless in case after case.
Treble damages , thatll get their full attention about making slanderous statements .
How can these be frivolous suites?? We all heard Rudy and SYdney make the damned claims on TV and were reported in case records. Youre as balmy as Rudy.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

How can these be frivolous suites??

I doubt that Dominion can prove that any falsehoods were said with malice.

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@farmerman,

This is Rudy's chance to present his proof! You know, the proof of fraud he wanted to courts to hear.

Here are three
clearly malicious falsehoods Giuliani spread:

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1. The Company’s Origin
Mr. Giuliani regularly stated, falsely, that Dominion “really is a Venezuelan company” and that it “depends completely on the software of Smartmatic,” a company “developed in about 2004, 2005 to help Chavez steal elections.”

2. Programming Votes
Another often-repeated claim was that Dominion had programmed its machines to flip votes: “In other words when you pressed down Biden, you got Trump, and when you pressed down Trump you got Biden.”

3. Antrim County, Mich.
Mr. Giuliani zeroed in on Antrim County, Mich., falsely claiming that a “Dominion machine flipped 6,000 votes from Trump to Biden” there, and that machines in the county were “62 percent inaccurate,” had a “68 percent error rate” and had an “81.9 percent rejection rate.”

Note that even after these claims had been debunked, he continued to spread them so hard to claim he made them in good faith.

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@oralloy,

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I doubt that Dominion can prove that any falsehoods were said with malice

DUUUHHHHHHH

These are CIVIL CASES, where motivation isnt the gold standard of proof.

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@farmerman,

That is incorrect. When it comes to slander and libel against public figures, motivation matters.

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@oralloy,

this wasnt against a public figure. The case is being brought by a company , who is the aggrieved party . They are bringing a CIVIL SUITE, not a criminal case. It may turn out to b criminal if fraud was involved or mail fraud in how Rudy circulated this disinformation . The juries will decide (I assume they ill have to be brought within several states election laws)

In a civil case, the plaintiff merely needs to show the preponderence of evidence supports its claim. "Why Rudy and Hortense lied" is immaterial .

For example , filing incorrect or false information causing damage to Dominion is the basis of the civil case in total. Court doesnt reach a verdict based on whether you "meant it" or not, the damage is the issue and whether the damage was not an "Act of Frd"

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@farmerman,

Even if motivation mattered, it is pretty clear that the intent was to smear Dominion's good name and their integrity. The lie that Dominion is a foreign company running software designed to steal elections? Hard to say the intent there is anything but to denigrate Dominion's business. This one is pretty straightforward as the lie was easily debunked. That is why Fox and OAN were backpedaling so hard. Accusing a company that makes voting machines of changing votes? Smears directed at the core of their business. Giuliani should be engaging bankruptcy lawyers. Now, if Giuliani was making these claims at the behest of his employer...

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@engineer,

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Now, if Giuliani was making these claims at the behest of his employer...

That would be a felony.

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@engineer,

I think it is also telling that in court when asked if he was alleging election fraud, Giuliani repeatedly refused to do so. He clearly did it in the press, but refused to do so in court? To me that implies he knew he didn't have any evidence of fraud even as he was accusing Dominion of it.

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Giuliani's response proves just how entertaining this is going to be.

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“Dominion’s defamation lawsuit for $1.3B will allow me to investigate their history, finances, and practices fully and completely,” Mr. Giuliani said. “The amount being asked for is, quite obviously, intended to frighten people of faint heart. It is another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left-wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech, as well as the ability of lawyers to defend their clients vigorously. As such, we will investigate a countersuit against them for violating these Constitutional rights.”

I seriously doubt the courts will allow Giuliani to investigate Dominion's finances given all his claims have already been debunked.

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@engineer,

Have the Democrats succeeded in abolishing people's right to defend themselves at trial?

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@engineer,

even Rudy understands that lying to the court while under oath is a crime in itself, doesnt need "malice aforethought"

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@farmerman,

It does need materiality however.

And actually malice aforethought is in fact required, as without malice aforethought an untrue statement is not a lie.

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